Elements. Fantasy cards game

Well I will reveal the mystery about the spinning wheel:

The program takes the opponent deck and randomly finds 5 non pillar cards, the 5 non pillars cards are used for the spinning, so the possible combinations are

5^3=125

the winning combinations are

5

If all the 5 cards are different, the chance to win with a single spin is:

5/125 = 4%
(that's why I said 5%, it is actually 4, but there is a small chances that 2 or more of the same card will be used)

However, if a deck is specialized, the chances to have more cards of the same kind in the cards pool are higher, if 2 of the five cards are the same the chance to win is:

((2^3)+2) / 125 = 11/125 = 8.8%

etc... so, putting it in a table:

5 different cards = 4% winning chance
4 different cards = 8.8% winning chance
3 different cards = 23.2% winning chance
2 different cards = 52% winning chance
all cards are the same = 100%

That means that from a deck with only one kind of non-pillar card you'll win for sure, BUT....

In the new version I added something else: the program has only 50 chances to find all the 5 non-pillar cards, if it is not successfull at doing that it will start drawing pillars as well. This way, playing against a pillar only deck will give you 3 pillars. Statistic for almost all pillar decks gets quite complicated.

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Originally Posted by TheWolfman

Here is my attempt to break Nova.

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How is that breaking nova exactly?

Hm, is there something going on with score submitting? I see two xxshinobixx, ziter, TimeCop, and new deck in the high score. Each of the two have high scores near each other, which seems makes it seem like there was just some error in submitting and they were entered twice.

Minor bug: I played the tutorial and never summoned a creature with a special ability. The next game I played was PvP, and summoned a creature with a special ability and got the message about the flashing border. Not sure if this was intended or not.

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Originally Posted by TheWolfman

Here is my attempt to break Nova.

Mark of Entropy
6 Nova
6 Lycanthrope (Entropy, Darkness)
2 Momentum (Gravity)
2 Foresti Spirit (Life, Water)
2 Deflagration (Fire)
2 Chrysora (Water, Death)
2 Blessing (Light)
2 Firefly (Air)
2 Reverse Time (Time)
2 Devourer (Darkness, Earth)
2 Lightning (Aether)

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Umm thats not really breaking nova, thats just using nova against nova, although really the best way to beat a nova deck is just another nova deck.

@kethaq:

Your #11 deck seems interestingly similar to mine. As you can see I was able to defeat you. :) Although it would've been a lot closer if you had one or two more Novas.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2edobxs.jpg

Here's my deck. I have some offense:

Nova x6
Lycanthrope x4
Firefly Queen x3
Rustler x2
Poison
Graboid

Defense:

Thunderstorm x2
Otyugh
Parasite
Lightning
Heal
Purify

And denial/control.

Devourer x2
Freeze x2
Deflagration
Reverse Time



My strategy:

I beat most Nova decks because I have more control. Devourer, Reverse Time or Otyugh can all really trip up a Nova deck.

Dimensional Shield decks are harder, but I can generally Freeze or Reverse the dragons.

A straight Rustler-Firefly deck beat me - they were able to get their combo into action faster. OTOH I didn't draw a Nova until turn 3...

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Originally Posted by zanzarino

Well I will reveal the mystery about the spinning wheel:

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OK thanks, It all makes sense to me now. That explains (what I thought was) the uncanny frequency of triple wins.

Sorry to be nitpicky but I am a math guy. You stats are correct for 2 different cards if there are 4 of one type and 1 of the other but they would be slightly lower if it was 3,2. Similarly for 3 types of cards.

So, if there 20 non pillar cards and 1 rare in my hand of ny opponent the chance of getting that rare once in the spinning set once would be

5*(1/20)*(19/20)^4/20^5 = 20.36%

and twice

10*(2/20)^2*(18/20)^3 = 2.14%

plus much smaller chances of getting it 3,4,5 times in the spinning set

and the chance of actually winning that card on a spin wold be would be aproximately 20.3% * 1/125 + 2.14% * 8/125 +... = 0.33 %

So for 3 spins you can basically triple that because it is such a small number giving you almost a 1% cahance of winning that rare.

However the odds significantly improve if there are more than one copy (I've certainly seen some decks with at least two farenheit swords.) The chance would be 0.93% for one spin with 2 copies of a rare in a deck of 20 eligible cards and 1.83% for 3 copies. Again basically triple that for three spins.

So for the elements deck even it it only has one copy of each rare there would be close to a 10% chance of winning one.

I actually got intruiged by the probability problem so I worked it out. Based on what Zanarino said. If for example there are 2 copies of a rare that you want and in a deck of 20 non pillar cards your chance to win that card at least once in three spins would be 2.55%. It drops to 1.83% for 2 with 25 non-pillars. and that doesn't even cound your chances of winning some other card. For a deck with 24 pillars and 6 dragons your chance of winning on the first spin is 99.1% and your chance of winning at least once in three spinns is 99.7%. Hehe. I just noticed I gave the same example above. I had worked it out as a specific case earlier. Now I have much more general results but it's nice to see that I got the same number both times.

If anyone wants to know any specific probabilities let me know. I worked it out on a speadsheet so all I have to do is plug in a few numbers and I can figure out what your chances are.

In conclusion your odds of winning a rare are much better than I thought.

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Originally Posted by -Manwe-

@kethaq:

Your #11 deck seems interestingly similar to mine. As you can see I was able to defeat you. :) Although it would've been a lot closer if you had one or two more Novas.

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yes, very similar. I have a slightly different balance. I try not to invest to heavily in any one element. but similar strategy it looks like. Unfortunately for any competetive deck it makes an large difference how it is played I think. So it's not really a fair test of a deck playing against the AI. It does dumb things like play novas for no reason, which can make the difference in a close match. I still win 80-90% of my PvP matches. but I am sure that would be reduced if we had live opponents.

I've tried a bunch of other strats but I keep coming back to the nova deck as the straongest all-rounder. Plus it's quick to play and relatively cheap to build. I figure it I had to start from scratch I could build the same deck I have in 50-100 games.

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Originally Posted by Rogue1

I have been working on getting 6 of each card including rares this could take awhile.

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That's ambitious, I've only manages to get 3 rares and I have played over 800 games.

so far I have three rares in about 300 games (two owl eyes and a fahrenheit). And yea Nova is by far the best deck and most well rounded right now.

Yep, I seem to be winning about 90-10 with this deck.

It's weird because some decks in the top 10 just fall to pieces vs any Nova deck... I think I could EASILY beat them with this deck in real PVP.

The only decks that feel "tournament grade" to me are the Nova Rainbow deck and the Aether/Time combo... and maybe Fire, the AI is terrible at playing fire decks so it's hard to judge.

ehh I think a an All Aether deck is better than an Aether time just because Aether tends to play faster. Also fire decks are no where near as powerful as they were in the earlier version so I don't know if they're really any good. About your comment about the people in the top 10, its more about how much time you play rather than how good your deck is because if you play enough your score is going to go up. Like my deck. I dismantle a lot of people that are in the higher brackets, but I don't have enough time to play and work myself into the top 50. There are also probably people that play a ton against elder decks to make sure they win with their not as good decks. This is where a true PvP would come in handy because then we might be able to only base the top scores off of that instead of the total. We might also be able to make the rankings off of a weekly tournament or something as well.

Hey, I seem to fight the same people over and over, and there is at least one guy on the top 10 list I can't recall ever playing against. Is there a reason behind this? or am I just making stuff up?

I have come up with a few simple strageties that are almost unbeatable depending on the type of draws I get. Like most of you, I rely on Nova. The best deck I have come up with however is pretty simple.

6 Novas
6 Immortals (kind of like a double poision)
6 Lightings
4 Dimensional Shields
6 Poisons
12 Aether Pillars

The only way I really ever lose is if I get my Dimensional Shield destroyed and don't have a back up or when I wait too long to use my dimensional shield/lightnings.

I alwyas have defense with either Lightnings and Dimensional shield.Immortals and Poison provide a slow damage flow. I like to stack up my Lightnings while putting out my dimensional shields to get a huge end of the game blow.

The only deck I can think of that can consistently beat this is something with purities, steal, and dimensional shields.

By the way, theirs a reason its 30 cards. This way you always pull a nova/dimensional shield. Those are the key to the deck. And using the dimensional shield/lightnings at the right time are crucial.

I think Dimensional Shield is the problem card in a lot of decks. Seems like it's one worth keeping an eye on for future tweaks.

Hmmm, is it possible that everytime i buy cards from the bazaar i get one less than the actual amount i've just bought... Even though i pay for all of them! :(

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Originally Posted by Caiphas

Hmmm, is it possible that everytime i buy cards from the bazaar i get one less than the actual amount i've just bought... Even though i pay for all of them! :(

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It may just be a display glitch, try exiting the bazaar screen and see if the card counts are right.

I dont think dimensional shield will be tweaked. The new shields that were just added are pretty awesome too.

As long as you have a few steals or the fire card that destroys permanents in your deck, shields shouldn't be too much of a problem for anyone.


I think poison should be upped to 2 pillars to use. That would deter alot of non-death decks from using poison(like my deck...)

Also, forest spirit is absolutley dominant if used correctly with paralell universe. I had a deck utiliziing them too(only with novas, no grass or water pillars) and it was still kill

If I decided to start a deck using water/aether pillars and maxed out my paralell universes/forest spirits I could destroy(maybe ill try it afterI get some more money...)

Something like this..

6 water
6 Aether
6 Nova
6 Forest Spirit
6 Paralell Universes
4 Dimensional Shields
4 Lightnings

Would not be a fun deck to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Maneri31

I dont think dimensional shield will be tweaked. The new shields that were just added are pretty awesome too.

As long as you have a few steals or the fire card that destroys permanents in your deck, shields shouldn't be too much of a problem for anyone.


I think poison should be upped to 2 pillars to use. That would deter alot of non-death decks from using poison(like my deck...)

Also, forest spirit is absolutley dominant if used correctly with paralell universe. I had a deck utiliziing them too(only with novas, no grass or water pillars) and it was still kill

If I decided to start a deck using water/aether pillars and maxed out my paralell universes/forest spirits I could destroy(maybe ill try it afterI get some more money...)

Something like this..

6 water
6 Aether
6 Nova
6 Forest Spirit
6 Paralell Universes
4 Dimensional Shields
4 Lightnings

Would not be a fun deck to deal with.

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I appreciate how you say dimensional shield isn't a problem, then go and build a deck using them as your big defense.

Also, because they count down at the end of each turn, they're not nearly as valuable to steal as they are to use - you get one that's started a turn down, and then your turn ends after you steal it and it loses another round. So it protects the opponent an extra round over what it protects you even if you steal it immediately. If it ticked down its time remaining at the beginning of the round that wouldn't be an issue.

Yea but Dimensional shield is one of the few ways that non-nova users can really try to effectively counter many of the all nova strategies out there such as the poison novas. If there is one card at this point that needs to be tweaked above all others its probably nova because it doesn't really have much of a penalty for giving 2 of every quantum, especially since there's so many good cheap cards out there like chrysaora, poison, freeze, lycan, graboid, etc. The nova straegies allow you to have the best of every deck for a relatively cheap cost.

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Originally Posted by Maneri31

Something like this..

6 water
6 Aether
6 Nova
6 Forest Spirit
6 Paralell Universes
4 Dimensional Shields
4 Lightnings

Would not be a fun deck to deal with.

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Interesting idea but I think anyone with a few reverse times and freezes would easily defeat this deck. I still think the nova/rainbow deck is dominant. I have tried other decks but nothing comes close.

That said I would be in favour of nerfing it because I think there are many other interesting strategies possible. Significants increasing the life cost or just making it cost 1 entropy to use. I think the later would work better because it would mean all nova decks would have to use mark of Entropy to be effective and it would stop the crazy fast starts where someone throws down 2 or 3 novas and 3 or 4 creatures the first round.

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Originally Posted by kethaq

Interesting idea but I think anyone with a few reverse times and freezes would easily defeat this deck. I still think the nova/rainbow deck is dominant. I have tried other decks but nothing comes close.

That said I would be in favour of nerfing it because I think there are many other interesting strategies possible. Significants increasing the life cost or just making it cost 1 entropy to use. I think the later would work better because it would mean all nova decks would have to use mark of Entropy to be effective and it would stop the crazy fast starts where someone throws down 2 or 3 novas and 3 or 4 creatures the first round.

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I think that Kethaq has a very good idea with using making novas cost 1 or 2 entropy as it would provide a much more balanced game allowing other strategies to develop.

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Originally Posted by DarkGate

Yea but Dimensional shield is one of the few ways that non-nova users can really try to effectively counter many of the all nova strategies out there such as the poison novas. If there is one card at this point that needs to be tweaked above all others its probably nova because it doesn't really have much of a penalty for giving 2 of every quantum, especially since there's so many good cheap cards out there like chrysaora, poison, freeze, lycan, graboid, etc. The nova straegies allow you to have the best of every deck for a relatively cheap cost.

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I agree that Nova is a problem. That doesn't mean dimensional shield isn't, though.

They're both trouble.

Nova decks btw aren't countered by dimensional shields so much as by reverse time or lobotomizer decks - they almost always rely on their creatures, and don't have a lot of energy to spare to get them back out a second or third time once you put them away. Dimensional shields counter everything, but if anything Nova decks can probably handle them better than most since deflagration is 2 fire and Nova provides that easily.

Edit: I like the idea of nova costing an entropy, that would at least slow them down a turn so non-nova decks can have a chance to get into play against a nova deck. I think 1 entropy would be a good place to start, and see if it helps balance them out. It would put a crunch on nova decks for round 1 though - unless they put in some pillars to play for free they'd find themselves always having to discard initially until they got an entropy to play nova. That seems suitable for balancing out a very powerful card.

Dimensional shields don't counter poison I know and they're really needed because of the high cost of dragons, the time it takes to get a decent amount of them out there, and how easily they can be taken out by either a lightning or reverse time(which I think is more effective because it doesn't allow to get a new card and dragons are costly to summon) so the time gained by the dimensional shields is really the best way for the strat to be effective.

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Originally Posted by Bianary

I agree that Nova is a problem. That doesn't mean dimensional shield isn't, though.

They're both trouble.

Nova decks btw aren't countered by dimensional shields so much as by reverse time or lobotomizer decks Dimensional shields counter everything, but if anything Nova decks can probably handle them better than most since deflagration is 2 fire and Nova provides that easily.

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Dimensional sheild is powerful but I am not convinced yet that it is as overwhelming as the nova deck. Maybe that's because I play nova. I usually find I can overwhelm a deck before it has a chance to get the dimensional sheild up, or get it down low enough that I only need 1 deflag to finish it off.

I agree reverse time is the best weapon against a nova deck. The key is to slow a nova deck down as much as possible in the begining because any other strategy takes longer to develop but can probably prevail if given more time. Against a nova deck I use my reverse time cards ASAP, because no new cards means no new resources. Against other decks I hold off to hit a expensive card.

Really what makes a good game is if there are many viable strategies, I think that thereat if Nova got nerfed then Aether might become the only way to go. But that would have to be seen.

I have an all aether deck right now and there are other strats than do well against my deck occasionally. A normal poison freeze strat still does decent and would do better with an actual person. A fire deck is still viable against mine because of how expensive aether tends to be. I'm sure a good tiome strat could be made if nova wasn't so powerful especially if since aether decks rely on using expensive cards so reverse times and eternity would be effective counter measures. An aether deck has a lot more weaknesses than a nova deck does, but right now a lot of the decks I go against in the top 50 employ nova in at least some way.

Nearly all the top 50 are Nova decks by definition (30 cards, 6 Novas). Most of those are also partially multicolor to take advantage of spare quanta... even if most of them are based around one or two key combos such as Firefly, Deathmob, Poison, or Line At Kinko's (my name for Dimensional Shield + Parallel Universe, hehe).

The environment is very very multicolor right now, that's fun because it lets everyone tinker with all the colors. I wouldn't take that away, I think... what I would take away is some of the SPEED and CHEAPNESS of the environment.

Right now there is a very large number of cards being played, which is a sign of decent balance, but they are the cheapest, most Nova affordable cards, 4 quanta or less.

The environment is also way over the design speedlimit. Even decks based completely around Firefly don't put the Life dragon in, because games end before he can come into play. The fastest, cheapest combos are used - meaning Firefly Queen yes, Deathmob no, etc.

To fix this I think Elements needs a rather big overhaul:

1. Change Nova to cost 1 Entropy and generate 10 quanta each of 3 random elements. This fits more with Entropy's UNpredictable character and would stop its use as a 6-card staple. It would also slow the game down making non-Nova strats viable. At the same time, 10 quanta is enough to play a Dragon - you never know what you'll get with Nova but if you're prepared you could really cash in.

2. Increase color crossover. More cards like Rustler and Firefly that generate other-color quanta; more cards like Graboid that use other-color quanta. This is a nifty idea and really separates Elements from other CCGs.

I want to see lots more builds that use "mana chains" like Firefly-Rustler-Queen. That is IMHO the most fun build to play in the game right now.

(Well, Otyugh-Blessing was, but it gets CREAMED in the current environment because most Nova decks pack a copy of every control card).

Haha Otyugh blessing is fun to go against because I can't just summon away against them. I actually have to be patient and summon in bunches to make sure I get my quantum's worth.

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Originally Posted by -Manwe-

The environment is also way over the design speedlimit. Even decks based completely around Firefly don't put the Life dragon in, because games end before he can come into play. The fastest, cheapest combos are used - meaning Firefly Queen yes, Deathmob no, etc.

To fix this I think Elements needs a rather big overhaul:

1. Change Nova to cost 1 Entropy and generate 10 quanta each of 3 random elements. This fits more with Entropy's UNpredictable character and would stop its use as a 6-card staple. It would also slow the game down making non-Nova strats viable. At the same time, 10 quanta is enough to play a Dragon - you never know what you'll get with Nova but if you're prepared you could really cash in.

2. Increase color crossover. More cards like Rustler and Firefly that generate other-color quanta; more cards like Graboid that use other-color quanta. This is a nifty idea and re ally separates Elements from other CCGs.

I want to see lots more builds that use "mana chains" like Firefly-Rustler-Queen. That is IMHO the most fun build to play in the game right now.

(Well, Otyugh-Blessing was, but it gets CREAMED in the current environment because most Nova decks pack a copy of every control card).

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I like your ideas, I do think the game is too fast right now. When I go with a offensive deck I can usually win in 5-6 rounds.

Either one of the changes you suggested for nova would be enough to nerf it. I think both would make it unviable. The strength of Nova is you reliably know what you are going to get. Earlier I was suggesting making quantum pillars stronger too.

I do like the multicolor combos too. I use the queen-firefly-rustler as my principle offence in a nova deck. It works really well because it sustains itself and the AI doesn't attack the rustlers because they are weak offensively.

I started off playing the oty-blessing in 0.3 but you are right it just can't stand up anymore.

I was thinking about how the game would go if we started with 200 life instead (but there is something elegant about 100)

Nova reminds me a lot of Black Lotus now XD.

I was actually thinking about how it'd go if it was 200 life as well and it'd be interesting to see.

Ziter has 3 scores submitted in the weekly top 50. What's up with the MochiAds? :o

It would be nice if you put that clicking on back button when fighting PvP lvl4 will make you lose the game before it starts... I must have clicked 20 times on it in a row trying to find that Elements deck before noticing that my gold went down...

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Originally Posted by -Manwe-

1. Change Nova to cost 1 Entropy and generate 10 quanta each of 3 random elements. This fits more with Entropy's UNpredictable character and would stop its use as a 6-card staple. It would also slow the game down making non-Nova strats viable. At the same time, 10 quanta is enough to play a Dragon - you never know what you'll get with Nova but if you're prepared you could really cash in.

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This is just a bit too unpredictable imo. While entropy decks can be chaotic, it's not a good idea to make one that you simply rely on pure luck for if you get the elements you need or not.

Chaos Seed is a bad spell for a reason (To be fair, that reason is because there's almost as many good effects as there are bad and as often as you get rid of the problem enemy you'll give them +3/3 or something equally self-destructive -- same for trying to use it on your creatures, you'll hurt yourself as often as you might help, so it's better to just not use the card at all.)

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Originally Posted by zanzarino

Giving a mulligan option to players that use pillars as quantum source might be unfair to players that (not now, in the future) will not.

Also, that is why your mark is there, even without pillars, you have a minimal source of quantums anyway. I do understand however that it is annoying being forced to get rid of a good card during the first turn. I'll find a solution.

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The Mulligan option wouldn't have to be related to pillars. It could just be a general solution to getting a bad starting hand: reshuffle your deck and draw 7 cards instead of 8.

As far as having to discard if you can't play anything on your first turn: Maybe, if you decide not to do a Mulligan option, you could increase the maximum hand size by one (or reduce the starting hand size by one) to fix this?


Also, as for the bonus for going first, maybe it could be balanced by one of the following:
* Have both players start with 7 cards instead of 8, and the player going second draws on their first turn.
* Player going second gains a quantum from their mark at the start of their turn.

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Originally Posted by kethaq

A comment about the quantum pillars, I like the idea of them,they are just not strong enough with 12 elements.

I could see building a multi-color deck around quantum pillars if the returned 4 0r 5 quantums of a random element but with only 2 I would need to be using a 7 color deck at least to get any advantage from quantum pillars and even then it would be really difficult because I wouldn't be able to use what I wanted when I wanted.

Anyway I just think it would be interesting if they were a bit stronger and a viable strategy could be worked out to use them.

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I agree with this. Quantum pillars are always one of the first things I take out. Even increasing them to 3 total (one each of three random elements) would make them much more useful.

Furthermore, Nova might possibly need to be nerfed a bit... perhaps have it only add 2 to a random selection of 6 to 9 elements?


I also have to say that I intensely dislike two of the rare weapons. The Owl's Eye weapon, in my opinion, should not do damage to the opponent in the same turn it was used to damage a creature, and the Morning Star just seems overpowered at 9 damage per turn; I could understand if it was doing even 4 to 5 damage, but having the strongest weapon also be completely uncounterable (except by Phase Shield spamming) seems unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by kethaq

But if you can't win with 23 creatures something is seriously wrong with your strategy.

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Or you were Boneyard spamming and the opponent played a strong shield. I've had that happen a few times. =/

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Originally Posted by KC.

I was thinking of maybe the immortality spell must be cast every turn with the same cost of 2 aether runes, that should help more or less.

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Personally, I agree. Immortality is like Burrow but without the penalty, and it can be cast on any creature instead of being an ability only for specific creatures.

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Originally Posted by Caiphas

I know it seems like everything is overpowered but keep on playing for a couple more days and improve you own deck... You opponents will suddenly seem much more easy... :)

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I already do pretty well most of the time with my fire deck. The Owl Eye still kills me most of the time when it gets played, though; the opponent usually gets it out in the first three or four turns, and all of my creatures die from a single shot. =/

It would be fine if they weren't pumping out creatures of their own, too; even making it so that it didn't hit me AND a creature in the same turn would help.


Also: Lycanthropes are a bit strong at being a potential 6|6 for 4 quantums, aren't they?

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Originally Posted by icecue7

The combo's with Boneyard are too slow compared to other strategies and can be easily countered.

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I agree, but pairing an Otyugh up with some Vultures can be fun. Won't guarantee that you will win, but it's generally fun to play. :)

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Originally Posted by DarkGate

Haha Otyugh blessing is fun to go against because I can't just summon away against them. I actually have to be patient and summon in bunches to make sure I get my quantum's worth.

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Haha yeah aether deck is hard to play against Otyugh, I usually summon bulk dragons against them or lightning them to lower their defense. It's also tricky vs. time decks, they usually can reverse time 2 dragons i put up.

I also think you need to decrease the effectiveness of nova decks AND even aether decks, let's not kid ourselves, its the most prominent deck-types :P I think momentum should get through all shields to be worth it, INCLUDING dimensional shields which are most prominent.


Some ideas for decks I think need improvements:
Entropy:
-make a creature that can either attack x1, x2, x3, x4 randomly every turn
-Chaos seed could be an all-monster effect but upped to 4 entropys (either all enemy monsters or EVEN all monsters on field, that would be insane)
Death:
-make skeletons unable to be killed (sincetheyre already dead), one rain of fire or thunderstorm (or most shields can do -1 damage) can can demolish a whole strategy lol
-or make skeletons able to die, but another skeleton replaced (although I can see otyughs combo with this)
Earth: (don't see much earth decks, imo its not strong enough)
-Antilon should be able to burrow, but not only target itself but other creatures (burrow enemy creatures to half its attack damage but make it invulnerable)

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Originally Posted by DragonBlood87

I agree with this. Quantum pillars are always one of the first things I take out. Even increasing them to 3 total (one each of three random elements) would make them much more useful.

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Just an fyi in case you haven't noticed how they work, currently they do 2 of 1 element. So if you have a 1 quantum card available you still have really bad chances of getting the element you need to actually use it from a pillar. Even splitting them up to be 1 of 2 elements would be a significant improvement imo, 1 of 3 would be worth considering for a deck.

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Originally Posted by DragonBlood87

Also: Lycanthropes are a bit strong at being a potential 6|6 for 4 quantums, aren't they?

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Lycanthropes are decently balanced. They're very vulnerable to reverse time after transforming (Have to resummon/transform), take two turns to get to that 6/6, are multi-element (The multi-element bonuses are always stronger than single element effects), and on that first turn are very weak to any direct damage -- thunder storm, fire shield, fire bolt, owl's eye, etc. (And Otyughs) They might be a touch too effective, but overall they're pretty good from what I've seen. Certainly not one of the worst offenders for balance atm.

This game must be good as hell, many of you guys are registering only to talk about it

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Originally Posted by Disaru

Haha yeah aether deck is hard to play against Otyugh, I usually summon bulk dragons against them or lightning them to lower their defense. It's also tricky vs. time decks, they usually can reverse time 2 dragons i put up.

I also think you need to decrease the effectiveness of nova decks AND even aether decks, let's not kid ourselves, its the most prominent deck-types :P I think momentum should get through all shields to be worth it, INCLUDING dimensional shields which are most prominent.


Some ideas for decks I think need improvements:
Entropy:
-make a creature that can either attack x1, x2, x3, x4 randomly every turn
-Chaos seed could be an all-monster effect but upped to 4 entropys (either all enemy monsters or EVEN all monsters on field, that would be insane)
Death:
-make skeletons unable to be killed (sincetheyre already dead), one rain of fire or thunderstorm (or most shields can do -1 damage) can can demolish a whole strategy lol
-or make skeletons able to die, but another skeleton replaced (although I can see otyughs combo with this)
Earth: (don't see much earth decks, imo its not strong enough)
-Antilon should be able to burrow, but not only target itself but other creatures (burrow enemy creatures to half its attack damage but make it invulnerable)

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Myabe aether decks could be nerfed a bit, but nowhere near as much as nova decks need to be. I like the ideas for entropy , but instead of changing chaos seed instead make a whole new card. Another idea for entropy is to make a mutation that affects all the creatures on either side of the field. This would help make the boneyard combo very viable because you might end up with some very nice monsters or at the very least some more skeletons. I also think it would be a good idea to let a new skeleton be formed form boneyard even if the original skeleton was summoned with a boneyard anyways. Earth really needs a couple of good spells/monsters/moster effects so that it can really be viable as a deck type because the only thing it really has going for it is the graboids and a decent shield.

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Originally Posted by Incrue

This game must be good as hell, many of you guys are registering only to talk about it

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It is amazing really. It has some balance issues, but what game doesn't when it comes out in Beta testing. I used to be addicted to Yu Gi Oh a long time ago and this brings me back to those days. I've found myself trying to figure out where my summer afternoon has gone before.

The quests should involve bountys, like giving a random name and if you happen to face them and beat them in PVP, you get a really good reward (maybe a rare card of theirs)

i also think there should be like 2 slots for weapons or even shields (of course not additive effects, like 2 darkness shields = 100% miss)