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13 more months. I simply can not WAIT till the republicans lose the majority and someone starts talking impeachment.
The shrub is simply too stupid to run the country. But not to ruin it.
Have you seen this?
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2...-invade-p1.php
Don't bet on republican hawks losing power with people like this voting.
I have often argued the merits of the bush administration... usually fine points, not the entire admin. I don't think you can find a person on earth that would argue the fact that bush's pr folks are far beyond stupid.
OF course this isn't the first time a president has staged things... but that doesn't make this any less rediculous.
the dems are hawks to, just saying.Quote:
the amazing worldy intelligent aversion
Don't bet on republican hawks losing power with people like this voting.
I would just like, even just once, to see bush face a public that have not been rehearsed and hand picked. I'd like to see him go face to face with anti-war campaigners and explain himself, defend himself, just as politicians like Blair have done, in situations that they don't have control of.
I know that the American presidency is different to a British prime minister say, because the president's role is an executive one, whereas Blair gets up in Parliament and faces down his opposition every other day, and does get on television and answer unrehearsed questions from a belligerent audience.
I just think that politicians should have to do that, should be able to speak in public without rehearsal, defend their policies and think on their feet. It's reassuring, if nothing else, that they know what they're doing, know that opposition to what they're doing exists and have the guts to face it. Nothing good can come from locking a president away inside a hemetically sealed bubble. As bush himself says, he relies on his advisors for opinions, because they're the most objective people he knows...
Pretty funny. But even those people understand gas prices trippling and the republicans spending almost 4 trillion dollars for the privilage. They understand the sad sack way Katrina was handled and the lies since then. The largest segment of our population understands that the republicans are going to take away their retirement money.Quote:
Originally Posted by aversion
Hence the 'republican' bit. There are hawks on the democrat side, in the sense that a hawk is someone who pushes their agenda aggressively, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar
I'm talking about republican hawks because they're the ones pushing the agenda that the kind of people in that video relate to, bombing the hell out of the middle east, even if they do end up in australia. They're the people out there pushing a war against terror, pushing terror, mentioning 9/11 forty times in a ten minute speech. Giving people what they want, set up the danger, then reassure people that we'll bomb the hell out of somewhere to solve it. Even if it never works.
Oh yeah, for sure, I certainly don't want to suggest this was typical of the american opinion or education. It looks like it was filmed at venice beach, not the hardest place to find a bunch of morons who think australia is north korea, or iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by iaskwhy
But come the next election the republicans will be doing the same thing they did in the last election, playing to people's fears, emphasising the threat and then suggesting that only republicans have the guts to blow other countries up. Typically the democrats have never won on security issues, and people like Karl Rove are so good at what they do that there will be no room for a domestic agenda in an election, unless it's to point out that the perjorative liberals hate tax cuts and that the deficit is obviously nothing to worry about.
The republicans might actually stand a chance to lose if the democrats actually offer a plan of their own. I don't think people will vote for something just to vote against something else.
oh sorry, I thought you meant hawk as in "war good, peace bad".Quote:
Originally Posted by aversion
To really find out how stupid they are, give them a choice of $3 per gallon or $1 per gallon, not a map where Australia is labelled as North and South Korea. Maybe they were bing nice to the dufus doing the poll? ;)
I think there definitely is a leadership vaccum on both sides. Whoever can produce the best leader soonest wins.
the dems just don't have the electorial expertise, people like Rove, evil monkey that he is, is such a pro at twisting an agenda and pandering to an electorate's fears. Hopefully he'll be in jail by the time the next election rolls around but I don't think the republicans have a lack of eminence grises.Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
If they didn't have the expertise there wouldn't be so many in office. Hell Carville could take Rove, chew him up and spit out every little greasy peice. The dems are just a little devided. You have the voting public that either supports w or hates w... the problem with the dems in office is that most of them activily work with w. All except 1 or 2 dem senators voted for the war. Most have yes votes on every bit of legislation they claim the president uses to steal from the poor and give to the rich.Quote:
Originally Posted by aversion
Who was it that said "I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a Democrat."
Can this be...? A truly political thread at in the CL without someone crying about x-bashing or biasis? Oh, happy day... :)
Being a modern day democrat is a tricky thing: as a minority party, your power comes mostly from blocking passage of legilation, not getting what you like to the table. However, the Repubs have already been so effective of branding the Dems obstructionist that it has hampered their ability to truely resist out of fears of proving the accusations true (much like the so-called 'liberal media').
TGLC is correct, of course, that Bush isn't the first President to script events - however, I think we have seen the U.S. population hit a saturation point with the practive, from reports of Bush only listening to a close-group of advisors and shunning independant info sources to tightly screened 'public access' events, to acts limiting the ability of people to see WH documentation (if you haven't heard of this, google it - Bush has declared that his internal documents will never be revealed, doing away with the full disclosure after 12 years rule).
2006 will be interesting: the Dems are due out with their own 'contract w/America' style doc soon, and I think we're about to see a full-scale Repub. revolt against Bush to cover their own butts - but I doubt we'll ever see an impeachment. Funny thing, though, if you look at the public support for impeachment now compared to Clinton a fews years back...
if you guys could go a day without starting a bush sucks/no he doesnt/yes he does thread that would be awesome
If bush adopts the tax reform plan from his committee he and any repub that doesn't condemn it is toast.Quote:
Originally Posted by japangreg
Not without a lot of new blood in the legislature. The majority of people in the senate and house are just as guilty as he.Quote:
but I doubt we'll ever see an impeachment.
I agree, I don't think it will be quite 'full scale' though. More of a 'shift' in focus and issues. Wishfully thinking... focus on Domestic Issues, Economy and Immigration... I don't think Bush is seen as a true conservative in alot of respects.Quote:
Originally Posted by japangreg
The problem is that the Repubs have made a huge issue out of loyalty to Bush in particular on most issues, especially the WOT and Iraq. It's looking more and more like those issues are a wedge with more traditional conservative thought (fiscal responsibility).Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
The dialogue they've constructed and nurtured ('If you are not with us, your again' us!') is going to bite them in the ass unless the distance themselves from Bush. You have to do that gradually throughout the remaining period or you come across as a flip-flopper. If Bush becomes an albatross around their necks, which is looking more and more likely with each poll, they'll toss him right quick to save their own arses. He's a lame duck now, anyway. All the congressional Repubs have to do is protect him through the rest of the term from impeachment. They no longer have to coordinate their re-elections around his.