PLEASE READ - IMPORTANT

This post concerns behaviour on the boards regarding what I must term the most sensitive issues of all time on the Internet. Namely the attack on the US by terrorists.

Generally, FK users have acted impeccably in the way this issue has been discussed on the boards but I wanted to spell out what is acceptable behaviour on these boards to ensure this continues in the same vein.

1. FK is a GLOBAL community bound together by a common interest in Flash and cool things. As such diverse cultures, age groups and belief structures come together on this board. Not everyone will always agree on every issue. As such it is important that we all respect this diversity.
2. The FK boards do not prescribe to any freedom of speech rules and are moderated. The moderators who monitor these boards are given very strict guidelines in assessing member behaviour and post content and act accordingly. It is also very worthy of note that these moderators provide their time freely for the benefit of the community. As such, their decisions are supported by FK admin 110%.
3. FK boards do not tolerate violence, profanity, pornography, warez or discrimination in any form. Expanding on the latter point this includes racial, religious, sexual or other content deemed inappropriate by the moderators. In short FK is a G rated site period.
4. Finally, these are understandably very emotional times for many here. If you feel that emotion rising on the boards take a time out. Please be very very careful of generalizations in your posts and use these boards, the coffee lounge in particular. This is a place for fun, friends, open discussion, positive support and understanding.
5. As a community we all share the responsibility to uphold the FK values. Please email [email protected] or [email protected] regarding any posts that fall outside these guidelines.

Thanks for reading this far.

Thanks Steve !

A

I think its time to refresh everyone on the terms of registration, as well:

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It seems that people forget these from time to time.
[brian graves]

Couldn't have said it better myself and I am a wordy little thing :)

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thanks for your comments here Steve.
david p.

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Couldn't have said it better myself and I am a wordy little thing :)

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You.ve said it quite well too Lannie :)

Thank you
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Sorry to interrupt your little party here, but the last thread that was deleted was deleted for a difference of opinion and not because it violated any of those rules posted by Scills or Okiro.

That was an outright abuse of power.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RuneVolker
Sorry to interrupt your little party here, but the last thread that was deleted was deleted for a difference of opinion and not because it violated any of those rules posted by Scills or Okiro.

That was an outright abuse of power. [/QUOTE

'little party? '' :(
<sign> geez!

Yeah well im sorry too you feel that much resentment about a deleted thread !
If you feel that strong about then email Admin or the mods to discuss this further.

cheers
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Rune,

If you find thread control so objectionable here, perhaps you could scoot yourself on over to republicanforum.com

As for the 'last thread was deleted for a diff of opinion' ... big fat whoopie ~ you missed the part in the rules where it said "We reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever. " as posted by Okiro.

Have a nice day :)

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Rune,

If you find thread control so objectionable here, perhaps you could scoot yourself on over to republicanforum.com

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ha hahahaaa too funny :D

rune...

when you've been on these boards as long as some of us have, you will quickly see that lounge threads can get out of control very fast and they need to be treated with a grain of salt

and keep in mind that the CL mods aren't always around... so when they are, it's sometimes necessary to "nip things in the bud" to ensure things continue to move fluidly

there's no hard feelings involved... that's just the way it is

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Originally posted by agent vivid
when you've been on these boards as long as some of us have, you will quickly see that lounge threads can get out of control very fast and they need to be treated with a grain of salt

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And even if you haven't been here that long, like me, you'll also probably have noticed it...


If not, you will...

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Go on with your fanatasy lives, don't ever create an opinion that goes against the collective.

*Shakes head in disbelief*

Terrorosists 1 : ALL OF US 0


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Rune,

For me ~ it's not about opinion ~ it's about the voice you give to that opinion. What everyone believes *should* be done about current affairs is up for debate - not malicious slandering or bullying. It is unfortunate that a few people on these boards do not appear to have sufficient control over themselves to abstain from personal attacks because of one's opinion, religious beliefs, nationality, etc.

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[Edited by LanSite on 09-15-2001 at 07:28 PM]

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Originally posted by RuneVolker
Go on with your fanatasy lives, don't ever create an opinion that goes against the collective.

*Shakes head in disbelief*

Terrorosists 1 : ALL OF US 0


[Edited by RuneVolker on 09-15-2001 at 06:39 PM]

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Don't be so disrespectful! :mad:

Terrorosists 1 : ALL OF US 0, I DON'T THINK SO!!! WHY? because we come together in times of need and save lives, not destroy them,

Terrorosists -1 : ALL OF US almost 6 billion


Yes, we all have the right to our opinions, but when an opinion could potentially create a lot of hate and angry, it has to be stopped.

Shuving your opinions in peoples faces and creating anger is what causes war!

[swf width="200" height="175" background="#ffffff"]http://www.perfectlyfunctional.com/flash/trollbgone.swf[/swf].

I thought this would be a great opportunity to introduce everyone to my newest and greatest invention, Troll-B-Gone!

Just one spray will get rid of the most resilient pests and worst rectal ailments (pains in the posterior, in layman's terms). Moderators of a variety of boards will be recieving a complimentary bottle, of course!

In an even more exciting development, I have been working with the same company to develop another product called Perma-ban which is bound to revolutionize the way we deal with the tough duties of moderating those who just don't want to obey the rules.

Operators are standing by!

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Originally posted by CNO
[swf width="200" height="175" background="#ffffff"]http://www.perfectlyfunctional.com/flash/trollbgone.swf[/swf].

Operators are standing by!

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lmao .... rofl ... hahahahaha don't spray that thing at me ;)

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Originally posted by CNO
[swf width="200" height="175" background="#ffffff"]http://www.perfectlyfunctional.com/flash/trollbgone.swf[/swf].

I thought this would be a great opportunity to introduce everyone to my newest and greatest invention, Troll-B-Gone!

Just one spray will get rid of the most resilient pests and worst rectal ailments (pains in the posterior, in layman's terms). Moderators of a variety of boards will be recieving a complimentary bottle, of course!

In an even more exciting development, I have been working with the same company to develop another product called Perma-ban which is bound to revolutionize the way we deal with the tough duties of moderating those who just don't want to obey the rules.

Operators are standing by!

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Hmmmmm........

isn't this exactly the type of behavior the mods of this board are trying to eliminate? And here we have a mod doing it. Ohhh the hypocrisy of it is shamefull.

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Originally posted by RuneVolker

isn't this exactly the type of behavior the mods of this board are trying to eliminate? And here we have a mod doing it. Ohhh the hypocrisy of it is shamefull.

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im not sure Im following you Rune !

Doing what ?


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isn't this exactly the type of behavior the mods of this board are trying to eliminate? And here we have a mod doing it. Ohhh the hypocrisy of it is shamefull.

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im not sure Im following you Rune !

Doing what ?

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Humor?

http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm

The way I see it Flashkit is first and foremost a forum for Flash Developers to build on and share their knowledge.

There are a number of members who do not move from the Lounge and it could therefor be argued that they do not add anything to the community. Conversely there are a number of members who would never enter the Lounge, prefferring to strut their stuff in the help forums.

The lounge is here, in the main, to give releif from the working day to those of us who actiually work for a living and to build on the sense of community. What I have seen on these boards over the past couple of days does not add to the Flashkit community. Attacking and bullying members with personal insults for their point of view, nationality or religion is reprehensible.

I'm all for rational debate, I may not agree with other members opinions but I won't resort to petulant name calling (except in Jezza's case) and I expect those who do not agree with my points of view to offer me the same courtesy.

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I'm all for rational debate, I may not agree with other members opinions but I won't resort to petulant name calling (except in Jezza's case) and I expect those who do not agree with my points of view to offer me the same courtesy.

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Exactly! And CNO(A Moderator) did exactly what is prohibited by flashkit rules.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

Calling people pests and trolls doesn't violate this?

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Exactly! And CNO(A Moderator) did exactly what is prohibited by flashkit rules.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

Calling people pests and trolls doesn't violate this?

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I think you are being a little harsh. it was intended as light hearted fun, there was no malice which there has been in some of the comments here recently.

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isn't this exactly the type of behavior the mods of this board are trying to eliminate? And here we have a mod doing it. Ohhh the hypocrisy of it is shamefull.

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im not sure Im following you Rune !

Doing what ?

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Humor?

http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm

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Thats great stuff. Very funny and informational :p.

Rune, if you really want to be like that, please leave the boards. Come back at a better time when you can debate without arguing thanks.

If you don't stop this nonsence you will end up banned, and no one likes being banned.

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I'm all for rational debate, I may not agree with other members opinions but I won't resort to petulant name calling (except in Jezza's case) and I expect those who do not agree with my points of view to offer me the same courtesy.

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Exactly! And CNO(A Moderator) did exactly what is prohibited by flashkit rules.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

Calling people pests and trolls doesn't violate this?

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We've been making fun of Jezza for a while now...we know, and he knows that it is all fun. may of the posts in the past few days were actual flames, derogatory posts, and other types of unwanted behavior. Look at the Tommy/Jezza thread...they're making fun of each other, when in fact, they are flatmates :D. There is a line betwen flaming and light hearted humor, and don't cross it.

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isn't this exactly the type of behavior the mods of this board are trying to eliminate? And here we have a mod doing it. Ohhh the hypocrisy of it is shamefull.

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im not sure Im following you Rune !

Doing what ?

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http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm

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Thats great stuff. Very funny and informational :p.

Rune, if you really want to be like that, please leave the boards. Come back at a better time when you can debate without arguing thanks.

If you don't stop this nonsence you will end up banned, and no one likes being banned.

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Debate and argument are not mutually exclusive. You are thinking that argument has a negative connotation and you are wrong.

Sorry to break the news to you but anyone that reads what is in that link after being called a troll would become very upset.

I think I have demonstrated great restraint in my replies. His/her conduct breaks the rules that he/she purports to uphold.

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I'm all for rational debate, I may not agree with other members opinions but I won't resort to petulant name calling (except in Jezza's case) and I expect those who do not agree with my points of view to offer me the same courtesy.

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Exactly! And CNO(A Moderator) did exactly what is prohibited by flashkit rules.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

Calling people pests and trolls doesn't violate this?

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We've been making fun of Jezza for a while now...we know, and he knows that it is all fun. may of the posts in the past few days were actual flames, derogatory posts, and other types of unwanted behavior. Look at the Tommy/Jezza thread...they're making fun of each other, when in fact, they are flatmates :D. There is a line betwen flaming and light hearted humor, and don't cross it.

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Yup, and the examples that you have supplied are between friends that know each other and have known each other, and in human interaction there is a place for this type of behavior, however I do not know who CNO is and he/she does not know me, his/her humor was misplaced and should have been directed at one of his/her buddies and not someone he knows nothing about.

I wasn't going to post again for past experience in undarstanding that it would add fuel to the fire. But I would like to point out that I didn't single anyone out in my post - it was in fact a response to Steve's re-listing the rules and an attempt to interject a bit of levity into the situation. As has been pointed out, there is a great deal of camaraderie which exists between the mods, admins, and I'd like to think the members as well.

As a moderator I prefer to spend my time helping out in the board, but I will take the time to say that a lot of people in the past have felt "opressed" by Flashkit's moderating and have left the boards (I hope to move on to "better" things), and the community has not suffered because of it.

I hope that we can foster a sense of community here and compromise on certain things, but when it comes to the rules which have been established we are unbending. If you feel you have been singled out for whatever reason, then fine. But to carry on about it like this is a bit rediculous.

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I wasn't going to post again for past experience in undarstanding that it would add fuel to the fire. But I would like to point out that I didn't single anyone out in my post - it was in fact a response to Steve's re-listing the rules and an attempt to interject a bit of levity into the situation. As has been pointed out, there is a great deal of camaraderie which exists between the mods, admins, and I'd like to think the members as well.

As a moderator I prefer to spend my time helping out in the board, but I will take the time to say that a lot of people in the past have felt "opressed" by Flashkit's moderating and have left the boards (I hope to move on to "better" things), and the community has not suffered because of it.

I hope that we can foster a sense of community here and compromise on certain things, but when it comes to the rules which have been established we are unbending. If you feel you have been singled out for whatever reason, then fine. But to carry on about it like this is a bit rediculous.

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The community suffers because members are punsihed while moderators are allowed to break the rules. If you cannot see this then you are blinded by your own power.

You are unbending of your applications of the rules? Really? Unbending when it comes to normal users, but moderators are allowed to side-step them.

When you say it was a joke. It was a joke for you and your little support group of mods, but its not a joke cuz you don't know me and I don't know you. You made an ignorant assumption and you are severly at fault for this. Read my reply to kb1827. Now imagine someone that you don't know calling you a troll and then reading that link that was supplied. Your response would not be light.

The argument is not "ridiculous" as you say it. I have recieved a great deal of email that supports what I am saying to you. The only problem is, those people are afraid of posting their objections towards the Mods collective behavior for fear of being banned and or deleted. So the evidence shows I am not alone in my disagreement with you.

I am now permanently leaving these boards, not becasue I feel pressured to do so, or out of fear of anyone here, but because I do not want to take part in a community that is as hypocritical as flashkit is.

Practice what you preach!!!!!!!

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The argument is not "ridiculous" as you say it. I have recieved a great deal of email that supports what I am saying to you. The only problem is, those people are afraid of posting their objections towards the Mods collective behavior for fear of being banned and or deleted. So the evidence shows I am not alone in my disagreement with you.

I am now permanently leaving these boards, not becasue I feel pressured to do so, or out of fear of anyone here, but because I do not want to take part in a community that is as hypocritical as flashkit is.

Practice what you preach!!!!!!!

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Flashkit happens to be a very tight and open community. I think that you might be lying about any e-mails you may have recieved about this thread or the whole "mods abusing power" in general.
Any one who agrees should and most likely will come forth and say it. There is no punishment for stating your feeling toward a subject as long as you are not being harsh or profane. Therefore, there is no reason someone would hide thier feelings.

There has been many instances, much larger than this, of large groups of people disagreeing with 1 or many mods, but there is always a reason for the actions of the mods. They are qualified and respected people by not only the entire community but the Flash Kit Admins as well. Every action the mods take is backed by the admins (who run this whole thing) and normally most of the community.

If you or anyone else disagrees with the mods, thats fine, talk about it, get over it. But if it just results in more harsh posts targeting the mods, then it will not hurt us in the least to see you go. Sorry.

bye bye :D

happy flashing!

**Burp**



ahhh i feel better.



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ahhh i feel better.



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HAHA always breakin the tension!

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Originally posted by CNO
[swf width="200" height="175" background="#ffffff"]http://www.perfectlyfunctional.com/flash/trollbgone.swf[/swf].

I thought this would be a great opportunity to introduce everyone to my newest and greatest invention, Troll-B-Gone!

Just one spray will get rid of the most resilient pests and worst rectal ailments (pains in the posterior, in layman's terms). Moderators of a variety of boards will be recieving a complimentary bottle, of course!

In an even more exciting development, I have been working with the same company to develop another product called Perma-ban which is bound to revolutionize the way we deal with the tough duties of moderating those who just don't want to obey the rules.

Operators are standing by!

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Be careful where you spray that thing, it could get in someones eye!
:D

Rune, I have seen your kind before and I think everyone, especially yourself, would be happier if you just cool off and realise that the mods are people just like you. At present, I don't think you have actually listened to anything anyone has said other than to look for ways to pick it apart, as such I don't plan on spending too much time with this reply. This is the jist of it:

Getting your thread deleted seemed to either hurt your feelings, or make you feel your rights have been violated. I assure you that regardless of the specific reason your thread was deleted, it was not to hurt your feelings or threaten your rights, instead it was to help the board as a whole. The lounge mods devote a lot of time and energy to keeping this place running smoothly, and do a very good job of keeping their emotions in check when someone attacks them, as such it annoys and angers a lot of the other members (mods included) to see aria, david p, or one of the others get yelled at for doing their job. This, and this alone, is why you have recieved a harsh response to your arguments. I hope you can step back and try to see the situation from the mod or admin's perspective, because we would love you to stay and become a part of the community. If you can't, than I am sorry to say that I don't think any one will be able to help you with your problem, to do so would mean punishing an innocent person (who dosen't get enough praise as it is), and hurting the community, which I hope would never happen.

I hope it helps

P.S. - you will have to forgive me for any horrendous spelling or grammer mistakes, it is late and I am tired :).