Tip for bad service???

Okay ... I was reading this <spooky music> "over there"</spooky music> and I was sort of amazed at the number of people who tip when they get bad service (in any 'tip' situation) ... I do not tip well when I get bad service ... and I won't go back. For cryin' out loud, the people who are waiters/waitresses understand their income is dependant on tips - tips are dependant on quality of service ... bad service = bad tip = less income.

What denotes bad service, though? Kitchen problems? Not the server's fault. Staffing problems? Not the server's fault. Rudeness/general neglect = server's fault.

Staffing problems + good attitude from server = good tip
Kitchen problems + good attitude from server = good tip
No kitchen/staff problems + bad attitude = lousy tip

When I get good service - I am a generous tipper be it in a restaurant, valet, maid service, stylist - whatever. Bad service? I'll leave 8% - just enough to pay the taxes, but I won't go back.

What about ya'll?

I heard from my german teacher that in european restaurants, if the service isn't top notch, the people scream.

I heard this from my german teacher.

I leave big tips when I'm on a date, to impress the girl, but otherwise, i take the first digit and give him that many dollars.

I'm normally a big tipper, when the service is good.

but, on bad tips, I leave about 5% and a penny. that's supposed to be the hint that you were not satisfied. a penny is all it takes :D

yea, im w/ gerbick, extremely low, and leave the tiniest amount of change ya got, learned that from my pops just last week. :)

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Originally posted by gerbick
I'm normally a big tipper, when the service is good.

but, on bad tips, I leave about 5% and a penny. that's supposed to be the hint that you were not satisfied. a penny is all it takes :D

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I left a nickel on a credit card once after some extremely crap service ... Hubby got so mad at me :eek:

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Originally posted by LanSite
I left a nickel on a credit card once after some extremely crap service ... Hubby got so mad at me :eek:

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LOL. better than that penny I gave :D

the owner even apologized for the service. that's how bad it was. and I didn't even have to complain :mad:

I guess you guys are talking about U S A services! Here in the U K we are still trying to find cheerful people to serve us…still waiting. Although, of course there are many good people servicing us. But from what I see on TV… The U S A is the best.

As to porters and waiters! Why are we require to tip. If the boss paid better pay we wouldn’t need to tip. How about we do the reverse and kick ass only when the service is below par! That also lets them know.

by far, Japan is the best.

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Originally posted by gerbick
by far, Japan is the best.

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Correct!! I withdraw my last statement…(post)

This is a good thread. Brings up a lot of thoughts.

If I get good service, then I will tip them 15% at lunch, 20% at dinner. If I get crappy service, but the person makes an effort, then I will still tip them well anyways. It takes some damn horrible service for me not to leave anything- and it has to be soley the waiters fault.

The waiter/waitress doesnt have to be chippy cheery. I dont want them to ask to many questions. I dont want them to kiss my arse. Just make sure I have a glass of water or beer at all times and I'll be content.

Last week, I went to a really nice restaurant with my best friend, who is a girl. The waiter was really friendly. Great service. Until then end. My waiter brought me the check while my friend was in the bathroom. Out of nowhere he said, "Hey does she have a boyfriend?"

WFF???????

What the hell was that? What kind of waiter asks that? At a five star restaurant?? She could have been my girlfriend or my sister!!! Stuff like that just pisses me off. So I just looked at him funny and said "I cant beleive you asked me that man." He then got all embarrased and said "Oh just wondering" Doh!!!

I left him a penny.

I have always had a problem with the pecking orders in human cultures. Is it a game of master and servant we play-out in our lives. Measuring people with the value of money?. Just a thought, not sure where its going though…
I'll have a think and get back...

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Originally posted by crazybonkers
I have always had a problem with the pecking orders in human cultures....

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:eek: <ok, lansite moment of the day>

I thought that said pecking orders in the human vultures! :D

I just tip the standard 2% on everything. I wonder why I have been sick so much since I started doing this?

We do not have to tip here in Australia - but when going out to dinner we usually tip.

Went to planet hollywood once and got the funkiest waiter. He gave us a really cool table (in a section all to ourselves) and just joked around with us all night. We gave him a huge tip at the end 'cause he made the dinner really enjoyable.

Yes I have been out with a huge group of people and have had really crappy service and between the table (who always tip when we are together) gave the waitress, I think, 60cents... from the lot of us (10 peeps)

But she should be thankful... we didn't have to tip in the first place :D

On the other side of the scope. We went out once as a large group (16 or more people) and the restaurant gave us a complimentry magnum of Heinikin Beer (sp?).. it was like a 5 lt bottle!! just because we were cool people. :)

Does anyone ever send their food back if it is terrible.. I do occasionally, but i hate it.. I get all paranoid they are going to spit in my food :)
As far as tipping, I always tip unless the service is completely ****... If the service has been really bad, after i pay, I fuss about and drop change and notes out of my wallet in front of the waiter/ess then stuff em all back in and leave em nuthin.. :) hehe - cruel but strangely satisfying..
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Originally posted by monkii
Does anyone ever send their food back

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no no no no no no ... never ever ever send food back under any circumstances <paranoid, too>

I don't tip unless the service is mind blowingly good. I don't see why I should have to pay someone extra money for doing their job.

I don't get more money when I offer good service to my accounts at work. Why should I pay a taxi driver or a waiter any more than they get at the moment?

These people should be offering good service as part of the terms and conditions of their job. Paying extra is pointless.

yeah, don't wanna send the food back. I was at a steak house here in Nebraska one time and I ordered my steak well done. Now, the thing came and it was still bloody, so I sent it back. Unfortunatly the resteraunt cook is in a booth in which you can watch him cook. He can also watch people from inside there to. So the whole night the cook was staring at me with a menacing look on his face. NOT FUN!!!:D

Well as Tiana said, in Australia you don't have to tip.

It's really up to the individual.

When me & my mates go Yum Cha or any other restaurant we usually tip. Depending on whether we liked their service or not depends on whether we leave gold or silver coins as the tip. Usually it's gold coins.

The worst service I ever copped was my mate's 21st at Zenbu in Darling Harbour. The waiter just wrote down what everyone wanted on a scrap piece of paper. So some people got this and that before others. It should have been Entrees at the top, then Mains along the bottom.

Reading up on the previous posts, I have worked in a Chinese restaurant and I know how it gets. Customers want this and that now. I mean look around! There's other people as well. Most nights I really got ticked off at work from all the people whining about 'when's our food coming out' and crap! :mad:

I mean we do our best but when everyone's all complaining and crap it's really hard to show a straight face and serve as well. Although I was great at it! In my head I'm like 'screw you!'

There's been times when I felt like decking some of the customers.

Remember, waiters/waitresses serve your food, so we can put anything extra in it and you won't even know about it! We can spit in your soup and you'd be none the wiser! :D

I don't tip! :D

Like in Oz we don't have to tip here in the UK as waiting staff get paid a wage rather than having to depend on tips.

I rarely tip unless it is really good service and I very rarely tip taxis cos I know most of what they earn they keep rather than waiters who give most of it ot the restaurant.

On the other hand I am far to English to send back food, I will just put up with it, we don't like complaining!!!!!

Unless it is really bad.

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Originally posted by ]v[orpheus
Well in Australia you don't have to tip.

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Well, in the US it's SOP ... someone help me out here - Last I remember - waiters/waitresses received something like $2.01/hr (less than minimum wage) - the rest of their income in dependant on tips

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know how it gets. Customers want this and that now. I mean look around! There's other people as well. Most nights I really got ticked off at work from all the people whining about 'when's our food coming out' and crap!

I mean we do our best but when everyone's all complaining and crap it's really hard to show a straight face and serve as well. Although I was great at it! In my head I'm like 'screw you!'

There's been times when I felt like decking some of the customers.

Remember, waiters/waitresses serve your food, so we can put anything extra in it and you won't even know about it! We can spit in your soup and you'd be none the wiser!

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... something tells me you probably shouldn't be working in the service industry ... ;)

I'm willing to tip for good service. The waitrons are doing a job that I will never ever be able to do without resorting to extreme physical violence. :D On the other hand if I get bad service I don't tip at all, and tell everyone I know about the bad service of that place. Hell I tell people I don't know :p

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Originally posted by ]v[orpheus
We can spit in your soup and you'd be none the wiser! :D

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which chinese restaurant did you say you worked at? :)

I'm a good tipper usually, unless the service sucks, which i dont tip at all. NOTHING

The way i see it:
If you're going to hire an employee, pay them at least minimum wage. Why do we, the customer, have to pay their salaries/wages? Its not that I dont think putting down a little extra if they even got paid decent would be bad, but damn why do they only get paid like $2/hour and rely on us for huge tips?

And yeah, thats just dumb to be a bad waitor/waitress. You know you're not gonna get tipped.

VISIONRAY..that is totally F'd up that the dude asked if she had a b/f. I woulda been like yeah...me, ***** :mad:
Totally uncalled for.

like i said..employers should pay. I dont expect customers to pay my paycheck, why should a restaraunt be any different?

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Originally posted by defuzz

On the other hand I am far to English to send back food, I will just put up with it, we don't like complaining!!!!!

Unless it is really bad.

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LoL! So where did the term, 'whinging Pom' come from?! :D

As a chef I gotta ask how do you expect the food/service to improve if you don't mention the problem to staff? This CAN be done diplomatically. If the chef has made an honest mistake in my kitchen we will always redo the dish, not just fix it up. We also ensure the waiter thanks the guest for their feedback.

...and OMEGA...you deserve whatever looks you get for asking for well done beef! LOL. Cripes..it's been killed once..why do it again? :D

D :cool:

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Originally posted by damascus
D :cool:

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Who let you outta your cage???

talking about cages, wonder what does a gay tiger cage would look like? pink fluffy bars and stuff?

just wondering...;)

When someone services me they get a tip regardless. Im usualyy happy they paid any attention to me at all let alone doing that. :D



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Originally posted by monkii

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Originally posted by ]v[orpheus
We can spit in your soup and you'd be none the wiser! :D

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which chinese restaurant did you say you worked at? :)

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I won't say. :D

Although there were times I thought about it but when it comes to it I don't think i could do it. :)

nice girls with a cute smile get big tips, even bigger if the service is well and the food tastes good, always smiling chinese people get good tips too, i dont give
big tips to ugly old barmen that loose their hair already...

damn i must have drunk a little too much last night ;)

on my most recent sojuorn to the usa, i was appalled that the waiting staff had the audacity to add the gratuity (20%) to the bill below the total, but hand written and then a new total also handwritten below that.

apparently it is common practice if you don't sound american " just to help you calculate it"

as a result no one in the group of people who i was with left any tip in any of the resturaunts that had this practice

i cant believe that the american public put up with the tax evasion being perpertrated (sp) by the resturaunt owners. getting away with paying your staff a pittance and using the guilt of the patrons to help you aviod paying the payroll tax is obscene

if the 20% that was being added onto our bills was for the staff wages, then actually add it to the bill on the till and pay the people accordingly

a friend of mine worked in a restaraunt in nyc for four months illegally and was paid no wages at all as she was illegal, so she had to rely on tips. all of this so the government wouldn't find out.

real employment laws would also help cut down on your illegal imigrant problem

for the record tipping is not compulsorary in ireland, although it is a practice that is invoked for good service


peace and love

starchie

ok...here's whats really goin on. i am an upcoming flash/graphic designer, but for the last 9 years i have been a waiter at restaurants all over the world. in the usa, a restaurant can pay a waiter as low as 2.13 an hour. obviously, the server is there for the tips. other countries like the uk and australia either pay their servers WAY more than 2.13 an hour or they use high school help with high school quality. for all of you knuckleheads with your penny tips, no tips...i can GUARANTEE you have eaten quite a bit of spit. especially if you went to the same restaurant twice. word travels fast when you are a lousy/no tipper. it's not my style but many times you dont have to worry about spit, worry about your credit card number. so pay cash if you wanna be cheap loser ;) it's ok to not tip or tip low if service is bad. more likely, your waiter knows service was bad and expects it. but if you want your lemon slices or have special requests, tip at least 18%. 15% is regular, decent service. 20% for a fantastic experience. if you are hopelessly cheap...go to mcdonalds ok. thats what it's there for. if you want your drink full and your food prepared just the way you like it, pay for it. otherwise, go get a 99 cent burger ok. :cool:

I'm normally a good tipper, but at one restaurant I waited close on a hour for a sandwhich. I left the waiter a note, "Here's your tip, next time don't keep me waiting this long" :D

Same here. I only tip for good service. For bad service, nothing.

I remember long ago, when as a family we went to a famous fish & chip resturant. An old waitress came to us without smiling and asked "your order please?". My young sister (remember it must have been around 5 or so years ago) did not like eating fish with bones so she asked the waitress politely "do the fish have bones?".

She gave her a blazing look and said "ALL fish have bones!".

After the meal, on the way out, she said to the waitress -- "the only tip you will get from me is -- try to smile next time!".

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I must agree with the Japan being the best -- it is not the same but when I went to a Japanese resturant with a group of friends (7), the whole meal cost each of us around 80pounds (including huge tip) but it was well worth it.

What about buying drinks for bartenders?

I've worked behind the bar quite a lot, and only occasionally got drinks bought for me.
In the UK, working behind a bar is hell come 10.30, and you get no thanks for it; it's all "get your drinks as quick as you can and then run" from the customers.
The only time you really get any sort of a tip is if someone orders 10 drinks and there's change out of £20 or something...when a friend of the family from Berlin came over to visit he was appalled at the way us bar staff were treated; he said that it's the other way around on the continent, be nice to the bar tender or you get nothing.

I'm not even talking about tips really, just generally the attitude to people providing you with a service is terrible in this country.

I tip for good service and for good food. Generally the waiter / waitress doesn't dictate when you get your food, the kitchen does. The waiter certainly doesn't have any bearing on how your food tastes or it's presentation (unless they spit in it).

If I got crappy service but loved the food I would still tip, but I would give the tip to the restaurant manager to give to the kitchen and explain exactly why I didn't just leave it on the table.

We had a meal in Covent garden last weekand they added an extra 15% to the bill automatically for the staff. I'm all for tipping for good service but I don't think it should be assumed like that, it takes away a) your option not to pay it and b)the sentiment!

I'll tell you what REALLY annoys me, its those staff in the toilet scavenging for money for giving you a bit of tissue to dry your hands on. I can do it myself!

you can legally refuse to pay the 15% if you don't want to. best to make your intentions clear AFTER you eat though ;)

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Originally posted by swampy
you can legally refuse to pay the 15% if you don't want to. best to make your intentions clear AFTER you eat though ;)

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like be sick into her hands?!



sorry for bringing the thread down! as you were....!