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03-05-2002, 12:14 PM
jtibbles

Just ofund out Flash MX will go on sale on 15th March, and cost.........

$500 !!!!

Apparently this is to cover the loss that macromedia made in its 3rd quarter (£42.9 million)

Macromedia has become the new Microsoft!! Money grabbing F*ckwits! Just coz of bad management on their half they have bumbed up their prices!! It was originally going for $400, which is bad enough.

I reckon enough is enough. That's far too expensive, and doesn't give smaller companies who can't afford to splash out that much cash, a chance in hell.
03-05-2002, 12:17 PM
FlashGuru

WE all found this out yesterday morning dude! :)

Its in the press section of the Macromedia Website and live on news.com
03-05-2002, 12:17 PM
Pope de Flash

$500 Bucks for a program that can do full on app building is a deal. If you cant make the money back in a single small job somthing is wrong.
03-05-2002, 12:21 PM
jtibbles

response...

yeah, well we in UK and the rest of the world don't have news like that on tv or newspapers, we just usually have news about wars and death and disease and stuff

And that last person with the comment about small compaies - try running a small company and see how hard it is to come up with that money when you're profit margins are practically nothing. We're forced to pay again and again for the latest upgrades so not to get left behind, and its bloody hard
03-05-2002, 12:24 PM
FlashGuru

Quote:

yeah, well we in UK and the rest of the world don't have news like that on tv or newspapers, we just usually have news about wars and death and disease and stuff

Im in the UK and i knew.
03-05-2002, 12:28 PM
Ed Mack

I think that dude thought the other dude said that Flash's price appeared on tv (news.com) and said that
03-05-2002, 12:33 PM
jeroen84

Yup, I am in the Netherlands... and I knew. Was in this board just after it got online.

$500 bucks is more then it used to be, BUT it's still realy cheap considering what it's worth. Just look to other programs like Photoshop, Corel, Director, and I am not even beginning with good 3D programs.

Well... now it's time to scrap some money together....*looks into wallet* Oh dear... :/

Btw, yesterday DivX 5.0 got released, for everyone who hasn't heard it yet.
03-05-2002, 12:35 PM
Ed Mack

"Mum, dad, can I have £352?? Please.. Its for this one nice program.. yes I know I spent last years clothes money on Flash 5, but I can do without again this year, honest"
03-05-2002, 12:43 PM
jeroen84

Sigh... yes... 500 bucks would be like... 2,5 months of work in the supermarket with no other expenses(*sigh*) Or 4 months of work if I have little expenses...

Or maybe I could just find someone for whom I can make a site... The money of the last one got me a new computer.(:))

Live isn't easy.
03-05-2002, 01:30 PM
jackassflash

Wipe your tears

Um, you could make that money back ten fold on your first job using MX so why don't you quit whining... what are you going to do not buy it? That'll really get those guys at macromedia. I think $500 is nothing compared to what you can make with it, so wipe your tears

Quote:

Originally posted by jtibbles
Just ofund out Flash MX will go on sale on 15th March, and cost.........

$500 !!!!

Apparently this is to cover the loss that macromedia made in its 3rd quarter (£42.9 million)

Macromedia has become the new Microsoft!! Money grabbing F*ckwits! Just coz of bad management on their half they have bumbed up their prices!! It was originally going for $400, which is bad enough.

I reckon enough is enough. That's far too expensive, and doesn't give smaller companies who can't afford to splash out that much cash, a chance in hell.
03-05-2002, 01:51 PM
Ed Mack

Well, sorry Mr entrepenour (sp??) but some people don't have jobs like you, and for some people, flash is a hobby, not a job. Who's going to pay them for getting MX? the tooth fairies?

And whats wrong with Flash5? It isn't all that bad, there's heaps to be done in it.
03-05-2002, 02:09 PM
davidland

Im not surprised at all with the cost, nor do i think its too unreasonable. Macromedia is dropping generator and incorporating almost all the features straight into flash, so i wouldnt be *****ing too much about the price. I believe the upgrade is only going to be about $200 so quit ur *****ing and fork it up if ur really serious.
03-05-2002, 02:21 PM
Abelius

$ 500... to be or not to be?

Ok, here are the facts:

- Generator is practically assimilated into Flash MX, and many things for which we needed 3rd party applications (like Swift 3D vector graphics rendering) are pretty much covered.
- Have you guys read the reviews/previews? Have you seen the part where it talks about the scollbars, submit buttons, combo-boxes, and others? Well, just like that, there is many things for which you need smart clips NO MORE!
- Flash is bookmarkable! Get into any old Flash movie site, and advance through the site. Then , pres "Back" on your browser... Nothing happens. Well, that AIN'T NO MORE either! Flash MX comes with a layer that will usually be called "anchors" where you (yes, YOU, the designer!) can set up the places where your browser will remember where to go back, forward, and so on...

Frankly I think this pays the price.

And please don't get me wrong: I do understand how hard it is to shell out $ 500.00 for something that wasn't neither in your plans by January nor in your budget of March.

But still: it's well worth the bucks... IMHO
[Edited by Abelius on 03-05-2002 at 01:24 PM]
03-05-2002, 02:27 PM
Ed Mack

Swift 3d is covered? so I can import 3ds files into FlashMx, and render them as vectors? I don't think so.

They have replaced smart clips with a new type of clips, that are built into the flash player. HTML has this!!
03-05-2002, 02:35 PM
Abelius

correction

Maybe I did not succeed to express myself correctly the first time, and I even had to edit my orthographic errors... :) but here is my reply to you, Ed_Mack:

Definitely Swift 3D is not "COVERED" as an entire entity. I stated that some of the features of Swift 3d were now an intrinsic part of Flash (MX).

And I would like to add yet another remark to this comment: I like personally Swift 3D very much, and allthough I am a newbie programmer and designer myself (submitted only one movie to Flashkit so far), I think Flash MX would cost more than a grand if ALL the features of a program like Swift 3D would be "COVERED"...

Thanks for bringing it up, Ed_Mack...!
03-05-2002, 03:08 PM
Ed Mack

I was just being my usual annoying and argumentitive self :)
03-05-2002, 03:42 PM
gerbick

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed_Mack
Well, sorry Mr entrepenour (sp??) but some people don't have jobs like you, and for some people, flash is a hobby, not a job. Who's going to pay them for getting MX? the tooth fairies?

expensive hobby. ever thought about getting a new hobby and/or job?

btw, entrepreneur
03-05-2002, 04:24 PM
jeroen84

No way! Flash is the best hobby you can have. I like it too. :)

And I see it more as a future investment. Because I am getting my experience now, and I can get it back later when I have a good job.

I will happely put my normal expenses down, to buy FMX. And I am 17, btw... And I bet I am better then most of you.
03-05-2002, 04:32 PM
gerbick

glad to hear that.

however, a tip. create a great portfolio while you're gaining experience. that's the best way to get a job.

well that, and an education.

good luck to you jeroen84, et al.

btw, it's not hard to be better than me in flash ;)
03-05-2002, 04:40 PM
TheTrooper

I shop at HOTLINE

They always have the better rates
03-05-2002, 04:50 PM
TheTrooper

But seriously, $500 seems a fair price for Flash MX with all the new features that we are hearing about. I have paid much more money for software that I use much less often than I use Flash.

I sure wish Macromedia developers would integrate an auto Player version detection and and auto plugin upgrade option (sort of like with ShockWave). That would be nice.
03-05-2002, 04:54 PM
sichi

---was that an advert?

eugh!
03-05-2002, 04:55 PM
alohaha

$500! A Total f'in ripoff

Geez what money grubbers they are. That's more than Windows 2000 pro/ winxp etc.. what a RIPOFF. I'll get by with flash 5 for now, thanks very much.

I'd pay up to $300, no more.. that's a ton of money for a software program.
03-05-2002, 05:12 PM
gerbick

already got flash?

it's only a 200.00 upgrade.
03-05-2002, 05:17 PM
RUSHVision

Re: $500! A Total f'in ripoff

Quote:

Originally posted by alohaha
Geez what money grubbers they are. That's more than Windows 2000 pro/ winxp etc.. what a RIPOFF. I'll get by with flash 5 for now, thanks very much.

I'd pay up to $300, no more.. that's a ton of money for a software program.

If you had a legitimate copy of Flash 5, then you would only have to pay the upgrade price, which should be under $200 bucks. It seems like most of the whining about price is being done by people who don't plan on paying anything for it anyway.
03-05-2002, 05:22 PM
gerbick

my sentiments exactly Rush.
03-05-2002, 05:31 PM
TheTrooper

Quote:

Originally posted by sichi
---was that an advert?

eugh!

nah, just reality man. Comon, its 2002 mister.

How else do I spend $500?

Lets think...

A.I could... blow through $500 in party materials without batting an eye. We're talking one night of entertainment.

B. I could.... pay about 1/3 of my monthly rent....WooHoo!

C. I could.... take my wife out to a real nice Restaurant, drink a couple nice bottles of wine, maybe twice for that $500 bucks.

the list could go on and on and on....point is, I can spend that same $500 on Flash MX, and get use out of it EVERYDAY, as much as I want...

I understand that not everyone has $500 laying around, hell I used to live in a tent a couple years ago! As a professional though, I have no problems with this price.

Flash 5 is great, in fact the reality is that it will be quite sometime before large numbers of users download the Flash6 Player, so with that in mind....The new features of Flash MX are quite limited in many practical web development projects. It depends on who your target market is. That sure wont stop me from buying MX as soon as I can so I can learn it, you can publish as Flash 5 while learning Flash MX and with a $200 upgrade to MX...well..enough said.
03-05-2002, 05:44 PM
Ed Mack

Quote:

Originally posted by gerbick

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed_Mack
Well, sorry Mr entrepenour (sp??) but some people don't have jobs like you, and for some people, flash is a hobby, not a job. Who's going to pay them for getting MX? the tooth fairies?

expensive hobby. ever thought about getting a new hobby and/or job?

btw, entrepreneur

So, you suggest I quit school and get a job? My parents are all for it (Well, I could do both, but I would never get enough time to the job properly, and who would pay a part timer eh?)
03-05-2002, 05:52 PM
opacitydesign

uhh, you guys all realize that if you own flash 2, 3, 4, or 5, you can get the new version for only $199, right?

http://www.macromedia.com/software/f...tinfo/upgrade/

cheers,

Chris.
http://www.opacitydesigngroup.com
03-05-2002, 06:01 PM
TheTrooper

To Chris: (Opacity)

Wow. Your site is elegant. Very nice.
03-05-2002, 06:03 PM
opacitydesign

Quote:

Originally posted by TheTrooper
To Chris: (Opacity)

Wow. Your site is elegant. Very nice.

thanks! I appreciate it.

It's been a while (a year) since I've hung out at flashkit.com -- I had a macromedia site of the day back in 2000, but then my site just sat there forever!

Just launched this new one a month ago

My host has slowed down a bit in the last week or two... if that went away I'd be happy!

cheers,

Chris.
http://www.opacitydesigngroup.com

[Edited by opacitydesign on 03-05-2002 at 05:13 PM]
03-05-2002, 06:21 PM
Abelius

comments:

To opacitydesign:
Really a nice website!

To all the ones who don't think $ 500.00 is too much:
My support.

to all the ones who DO mind:
How much do you think would you be asking for it if you were MM?
03-05-2002, 07:15 PM
gerbick

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed_Mack
So, you suggest I quit school and get a job? My parents are all for it (Well, I could do both, but I would never get enough time to the job properly, and who would pay a part timer eh?)

my suggestions earlier not enough? I'm sticking by them.

no need to drop out of school - if you are in school, guess what. you qualify for the academic version. may cost you $99 for the whole thing. surely you can afford that. back to the school thing... those of us that went to college, we all know the suffering of college - broke, lots of beer. but still broke.

heck, I had to pay 1500.00 a year for support for my Softimage academic version. 500.00? I would have been overjoyed for so little.

why not do some freelance?

btw, opacity. NICE site :D
03-05-2002, 07:30 PM
Ed Mack

Sure, why don't you pay for it for me?

The closest I've came to jobs was a paper round, and then some paper work for my dads restaurant. My current version of Flash appears to be the academic version (Non commercial).

1500 for support? Were you expecting SoftImage to just give you support? If you're going to spend on Softimage, then that shouldn't bee too bad. Anyway, you could always make a film to pay off for it, as I'm sure you would

Freelancing, would I ever have to make physical contact with clients? How long would they expect a project to get finished (you set the dificulty and time).

Anyway, I probably don't have $99 in my bank account.. Maybe in my not ot be opened until I'm 18 account, but I can't use that.

Anyway, If I spent $99, it would take ages to re gather.
03-05-2002, 07:36 PM
Sybersnake

Quote:

Originally posted by Pope de Flash
$500 Bucks for a program that can do full on app building is a deal. If you cant make the money back in a single small job somthing is wrong.

really, anyone of us should be able to make the money back in ... ugh i make like nothing.. id take me 14 hours to pay for flash mx.. *sobbing, i need more money*
03-05-2002, 08:19 PM
BIFFBIFF

$500 FOR FLASH 6 ?? !!

ITS FAR TOO LOW!!!

i WOULD GLADLY SELL MY HOUSE, CAR, AND ALL MY POSSESSIONS FOR JUST ONE HOUR WITH FLASH 6 !!

;)
03-05-2002, 08:22 PM
TheTrooper

wooowwww

who spilled the * WHINE *..... I cant afford $99 bucks, it take me 14 hours....???

I mean really, are you cats like 12 years old or what?

Somebody break out the mushroom brushes so these lamers can get the sand out of theis pussies
03-05-2002, 08:24 PM
TheTrooper

sorry in advance that was harsh, but COMON!
03-05-2002, 08:28 PM
opacitydesign

Quote:

Originally posted by TheTrooper
sorry in advance that was harsh, but COMON!

I happen to agree with you. Look what this product can do, it's fabulous, and its WAYY cheaper than photoshop.

If you wanted to start say... a grocery store, you'd have to have alot of money available to stock your shelves.

web design companies have to be one of the easiest companies in the world to startup. $500 for flash (or $199 if you already have flash 2,3,4,5) sounds plenty fair to me.
03-05-2002, 08:33 PM
TheTrooper

Quote:

Originally posted by opacitydesign

Quote:

Originally posted by TheTrooper
sorry in advance that was harsh, but COMON!

I happen to agree with you. Look what this product can do, it's fabulous, and its WAYY cheaper than photoshop.

If you wanted to start say... a grocery store, you'd have to have alot of money available to stock your shelves.

web design companies have to be one of the easiest companies in the world to startup. $500 for flash (or $199 if you already have flash 2,3,4,5) sounds plenty fair to me.

Amen Brother

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