Video games, kids and violence ...

Today in Dallas, the trial of a 13 year boy begins. He shot his best friend. Accidentally. He says they were just acting out video games when the gun went off. This is the defense his attorney will use.

"Video games are relevant as to what was going on in the kids' minds and why the gun was brought out in the first place," Mr. Jackson said. "The games had guns in them."

"Police initially charged the boy with manslaughter but raised the charge to juvenile murder when the autopsy revealed the .25-caliber pistol was pressed to his skin for at least one of the shots."

Opinions?

blaming faceless game makers is easier than blaming the parents, for everybody involved.

david p.

video games weren't invented when I was a kid (unless you count pong).

I still had a strange fascinantion with guns and playing soldiers. I don't think the games are the problem.

its not the games taht are the problem, its the kids that play them...if u have any brain ur smart enough not to try things THAT ARE IN A COMPUTER!


idiotic

my dad when he was little, they didnt have video games either...they used to go out into a field (they were in Iowa) and have BB gun wars..

i think it's all in how parents control 'em kids.
videogaming (with guns & all) would help a bit but i don't think it's the root of the problem.
movies ... same thing (but maybe with a bit more magnitude thAN THE GAMES... ESPECIALLY ON THE YOUNGER ONS)...<-who pressed that CAPs key?

anyway, it's a shame all this has to happen

who cares about the video games - the outcome of all of our lives is based on the decisions we make. if you decide to brandish a gun, then you accept the concequences. I played the video game 'Journey' when i was a lad, but I don't blame my post-college music career on that game - I blame it on me wanting to do it. I loved the movie 'War Games' when I was a kid, but I don't give it credit for my career in computing - i'm responsible for that.

Petley - you are right on the money - it's way easier to blame someone else than the parents OR the child. pretty soon all americans will be completely free from the consequences of their actions - woo-hoo! :rolleyes:

You know ... seems with 'all' the people out there claiming video games are the problem, I'd see more response that way. I'm so glad I don't. Perhaps, we are moving back to a time where people will once again take responsibility for their own actions <scans headlines "Families of 11 dead illegals to sue U.S." ~ then again, maybe not>

I think Mr P summed it up best and probably in a much nicer way than I would have.

Regarding this case in particular, I don't know about ya'll ... but by the age of 13 - I pretty well understood you don't 'play' with guns ... and shooting someone twice?! An 'accident'?!

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Originally posted by LanSite
Regarding this case in particular, I don't know about ya'll ... but by the age of 13 - I pretty well understood you don't 'play' with guns ... and shooting someone twice?! An 'accident'?!

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Seriously...

Unless the kids are really really stupid (was their a pic of a trailer home with the article) it was probably intentional.

By the age of 13 I knew that guns where used to stop people from selling their stuff on your corner.

Why not blame TV while they're at it?

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Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
Seriously...

Unless the kids are really really stupid (was their a pic of a trailer home with the article) it was probably intentional.

By the age of 13 I knew that guns where used to stop people from saleing their stuff on your corner.

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Ahhh - see - no pic accompanied the article, TG ~ they're protecting the young 'un ...

where are the parents!?

I mean... a parent has a gun in the house. make it impossible to find.

as much as I rummaged through the houses we lived in, I never EVER found a gun in the house. And if I did... my parents told me never to point it at anything alive, or I would be dead.

and in our day, it wasn't video games. It was Tom & Jerry. In our parents day, it was The Three Stooges.

never ONCE was I tempted to drop an anvil on my sisters head, nor hit them with a sledgehammer because I saw it on TV. My parents told me otherwise.

people are so quick to blame the external influence, but I was told, the only external influences I were to ever look at were my parents - who admitted they were not perfect - and other people that were not harmful to others.

yes. I got through playing Quake 3. I believe I have quad-damage now... :rolleyes:

Cops and Robbers- classic kids game from now and before video games. Did anyone get SHOT with that?

Cowboys and Indians- okay, not very PC but played before as well. Did kids actually go and shoot each other with arrows and guns as well??!

don't forget that the atari 2600 came with, what's that you said, COMBAT! i've never even been in a fist fight!

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Originally posted by gerbick
where are the parents!?

I mean... a parent has a gun in the house. make it impossible to find.

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EXACTLY

If your gonna have a gun in the house, be sure to have it behind locked doors. I mean my uncle has guns (hunter)and my cousins never blew someone away!! Why? He has them behind locked, Bolted, Doors!!

I hate when people blame video games and TV. Violence is everywhere. When I was a kid, I saw violence everywhere, beit vids, movies or good old fashion TV. Im not a killer!
It all come down to parenting, any way you slice it.
Thats my opinion

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Originally posted by nordberg
don't forget that the atari 2600 came with, what's that you said, COMBAT! i've never even been in a fist fight!

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Wasn't there one game where the objective was to get across the screen to **** some girl? I mean, how messed up is that?

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Originally posted by Gloomycus

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don't forget that the atari 2600 came with, what's that you said, COMBAT! i've never even been in a fist fight!

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Wasn't there one game where the objective was to get across the screen to **** some girl? I mean, how messed up is that?

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wasn't that frogger? ;):D

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Originally posted by Vox98


If your gonna have a gun in the house, be sure to have it behind locked doors. I mean my uncle has guns (hunter)and my cousins never blew someone away!! Why? He has them behind locked, Bolted, Doors!!

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i believe eductation is far more important than locking them away (which is good as well). Education will teach your child about guns and the devestation they bring. You can lock up your guns, but can you lock up your neighbors guns?

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Originally posted by nordberg
don't forget that the atari 2600 came with, what's that you said, COMBAT! i've never even been in a fist fight!

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Wasn't there one game where the objective was to get across the screen to **** some girl? I mean, how messed up is that?

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wasn't that frogger? ;):D

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no, it was like a cowboys and indian type thing. You get past some obstacles, then you **** a tied up indian woman.

can u mail me when u find the link?

aah dont hit me!:p

hehehe
here's my acting of video games

In PE I'm making a blitzball game

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Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar

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Originally posted by Vox98


If your gonna have a gun in the house, be sure to have it behind locked doors. I mean my uncle has guns (hunter)and my cousins never blew someone away!! Why? He has them behind locked, Bolted, Doors!!

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i believe eductation is far more important than locking them away (which is good as well). Education will teach your child about guns and the devestation they bring. You can lock up your guns, but can you lock up your neighbors guns?

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I lean more toward the edge of education, too. I see so many parents that fear firearms, they fail to learn anything about them and fail to teach their kids safety issues regarding them. Their ignorance and lack of willingness to learn only harms them and their kids.

There are more hunters in our family than I can shake a stick at - they ALL (including myself) educate their kids about the dangers of firearms ... Most of our kids hunt and have been for several years ... the kids in our families don't 'play' with guns because they know the damage that can be done.

The morality of an individual, is part genetic and part socially learnt. Mothers fathers, teaches, and people in our community all go to shape who we are. True, not all one parent children feel the need to harm another, although they feel they have been let down by life. In Germany last month a gunman guy went into his old school and shoot most of the teachers dead…He apparently came from a good background and know one had expected this type of action from him.

Intelligence, is also a factor in some shooting crimes, the lack of reasoning and self control.

You could write a whole collections of books about the reasons be hide child killers and their reasons.

Video games are just that, and its up to the child’s guardian to educate him or her in the differences between games and reality.

Defence lawyers aren’t interested in the truth…they are paid to win any case, and using video game graphics as the reason for a gun crime, is flimsy

You might as well prosecute the parent(s) for allowing him to play these type of games.

crazybonkers

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Originally posted by Gloomycus

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Originally posted by nordberg
don't forget that the atari 2600 came with, what's that you said, COMBAT! i've never even been in a fist fight!

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Wasn't there one game where the objective was to get across the screen to **** some girl? I mean, how messed up is that?

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wasn't that frogger? ;):D

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no, it was like a cowboys and indian type thing. You get past some obstacles, then you **** a tied up indian woman.

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Real world Training.

Isn't this why we invented ritalin?

isn't that why parents should be involved in their kids lives?

I'm personally tired of the ****ing media shoving down my throat that videogames and outside influences are the damn problem. can't take responsiblity for what your children may do in life, and that you don't want to take the time to teach your children better... wear condoms. Hell, I'll even treat.

so you're saying that you'll buy everyone in the world a condom???!?!?!?!?

good luck...;)

no. I am saying that idiots that can sit back and blame a video game, that THEIR money bought, and music that THEIR money bought, and were both allowed to enter THEIR house, I say sterilize them.

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Originally posted by TrIzKuT
hehehe
here's my acting of video games

In PE I'm making a blitzball game

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blitzball suckz

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Originally posted by gerbick
I say sterilize them.

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now you're talkin' ;)

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Originally posted by gerbick
no. I am saying that idiots that can sit back and blame a video game, that THEIR money bought, and music that THEIR money bought, and were both allowed to enter THEIR house, I say sterilize them.

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See (and I know you agree with me :D ) ... Parents don't want to parent their kids anymore. Video games/computer games/television/anything but them ~ what great babysitters! <heavy on the sarcasm> And when things go wrong ~ they don't want to accept responsibility. It's everyone's fault but theirs - for cryin' out loud, let's sue someone! - that'll fix everything.

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Originally posted by david petley
blaming faceless game makers is easier than blaming the parents, for everybody involved.

david p.

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couldnt have said it better. this is really disturbing.

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Originally posted by gerbick
no. I am saying that idiots that can sit back and blame a video game, that THEIR money bought, and music that THEIR money bought, and were both allowed to enter THEIR house, I say sterilize them.

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Feels good to vent eh? Often times parents are completly out of the know when it comes to their children. This happens across all socio-economic backgrounds. Poor kids will break the law out of perceived necessity. Rich kids will break the law out of boredom. (one of the little punks stole one of my cars once..... if only he had died behind when he wrecked it)As far as their money. often times its the kids money. Usually gotten from illegal gains.

Whats my big concern? WHen i have to blow a kids head off when he breaks into my house. (I do believe in using deadly force to protect my property). I would much rather give a cranial lead injection to the parents than the kid.

this really isn't a big concern anymore as i live in the middle of nowhere. Now if you'll excuse me, i'm all pissed off and am going to listen to some judas priest, led zepplin and danzig. anyone know how to get a cd to play backwords?

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Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
Often times parents are completly out of the know when it comes to their children. This happens across all socio-economic backgrounds.

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I also believe there are some people that are just inherently bad ... (like the girl who recently killed her younger brother ... ain't nothin' gonna help that girl but dyin') ...

Hopefully that judge will throw out that argument.

There is proof enough that the games ALONE were not the cause:

If games were the cause, then wouldn't there be MILLIONS of cases? I myself am a gamer, and I have never had the urge to shoot someone in the head... well... maybe force choke...

The same thing also goes with movies. Of the Millions that saw "The Matrix", how many went on a killing spree?

There must have been something wrong with the minds of the kids BEFORE playing those games, unless they are like mindless sheep and are very easily influenced.

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Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
Feels good to vent eh? Often times parents are completly out of the know when it comes to their children.

this really isn't a big concern anymore as i live in the middle of nowhere. Now if you'll excuse me, i'm all pissed off and am going to listen to some judas priest, led zepplin and danzig. anyone know how to get a cd to play backwords?

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vent? no. just tired of the idiotic masses that somehow convinced themeselves they can have children, and raise them.

ooh boy, FK better be glad it's a G-Rated site.

parents in the dark... yeah, that happens. buy you know what? my parents hated my music growing up, but they know that I would not buy something with the money they gave me that they would disapprove of. Now, when it was MY money buying it, different thing. But... I still did nothing to disrespect their house. So, I didn't play it loud.

Morbid Angel is much better backwards. Same for The Village People. ;)

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Originally posted by gerbick

parents in the dark... yeah, that happens. buy you know what? my parents hated my music growing up, but they know that I would not buy something with the money they gave me that they would disapprove of. Now, when it was MY money buying it, different thing. But... I still did nothing to disrespect their house. So, I didn't play it loud.

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Good parents.

However some parents just drink and do drugs all day. That is if both parents stick around. Don't know what I"m trying to say. But I think parents are ALWAYS the ones to blame when you have bad kids. That is not to say bad parents can not have good kids.

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Morbid Angel

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O.k., now that's really funny.