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The FBI thinks so. They are urging the IRS to revoke their tax exempt status. Apparently the FBI has evidence of hundreds of donations to convicted criminals to aid their crimes. These crimes include arson, bombings, etc...all done with PETA's money.
It will be hard to dodge this one. The president of PETA himself has said he wished all fast food restaurants and slaughter houses would blow up...in the past.
So..PETA terrorists? Or just a coincidence?
What do you think?
Clif
Peta isn't that some type of flatbread.
Got a link for your info clif! I'm not familiar with Peta.. other then the supermodels it uses to depromote animal eating/testing.
I think any organization which uses scare tactics to deter people from doing what they are legally allow to do (be it eating meat, wearing fur, or abortion) qualify as terrorists
mmm Peta, its about lunchtime I think- thanks for the suggestion
Meat...mmmmmm....
Like the bumper sticker says..I love animals...they're delicious!
;)
Clif
I suspect as with most of these "friendly" organisations, there's probably more going on behind the scenes that one doesn't hear about. I'm not convinced they're terrorists though .. but it's tough because the FBI have never made a mistake ... who to trust .. ? !
FBI has made plenty of mistakes...in the form of justice department breaches, but I trust them when they conclude that PETA is a major supporter of domestic terrorims..
There is no reason not too..
Clif
gee how could you possibly argue with that logic and breadth of fact:)
so now is everyone who contributed to PETA going to be detained for sponsoring terrorists or maybe we should declare them Enemy Combatants
You wouldn't get any argument here. :DQuote:
Originally posted by cyk
so now is everyone who contributed to PETA going to be detained for sponsoring terrorists or maybe we should declare them Enemy Combatants
A. They DID donate money to people to support them.
B. I heard audio of one of the speeches with someone saying along the lines of - "If all the fast food chains and banks supporting them blew up, I feel that would definitely be appropriate."
So, based on evidence and based on that audio, I think they at least have supported people associated with terrorist crimes.
how could an organization stand for keeping animals alive when in the wild animals are killing other animals for food...just doesn't make any sense
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PETA's sympathies for ELF actions were apparent in a recent speech by PETA Vice President Bruce Friedrich. "I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow," he said.
he didn't say that they would , could or should blow anything up - he said if it happened (by circumstance) it would be great.
Last I checked we still had a Constitution that allows for free speech , thought , and ideas.
Hey- if you don't like it your welcome to protest it- its your right
every organization, religion, what ever you call it, in some way contridicts itself somewhere down the road..killin animals is bad but killing humans is good..but no wait killing babies is bad to..wait i forgot humans were animals also...darn..
its People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
You can kill something and still be ethical.
PETA originally protested uneccessary expirementation and torture. They made great lenghts in reducing the amount of animal testing. The most successful being the change in the cosmetic industry.
Now they have become more extreme losing effectivenes and credibility.
why not the use of the word dissapear than exploded. The constituion does allow free speech, although numereous laws have curtailed that. His use of wording is suggestive though.Quote:
Originally posted by cyk
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PETA's sympathies for ELF actions were apparent in a recent speech by PETA Vice President Bruce Friedrich. "I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow," he said.
he didn't say that they would , could or should blow anything up - he said if it happened (by circumstance) it would be great.
Last I checked we still had a Constitution that allows for free speech , thought , and ideas.
Hey- if you don't like it your welcome to protest it- its your right
his poor choice of wording would be no different than a radical groups saying
"it would be great if every (insert minority group here) was shot dead tonight".
It is crazy...
Eviromentalists drive SUV's to their conferences...the World Hunger Orginization delegates show up in Limos and are treated to gourmet food.
It is crazy.
PETA has shown that they have no regard for the law...they purposefully disregard the law to make a point.
Civil disobedience has been the name of their game...it doesn't surprise me they've paid off people who have burnt down testing facilities (killing the animals with in...go figure :p), blown up SUV's, etc..
It's pure madness.
Yup...they've gone completly insane.Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
its People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
You can kill something and still be ethical.
PETA originally protested uneccessary expirementation and torture. They made great lenghts in reducing the amount of animal testing. The most successful being the change in the cosmetic industry.
Now they have become more extreme losing effectivenes and credibility.
It is so ridiculous it almost not funny any more. (notice I said almost :p)
Fido didn't look good with lipstick anyway.Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
The most successful being the change in the cosmetic industry.
I don't like PETA. I like crime. The fact that PETA commits crimes makes them appeal so much more to me.
Let's go eat our tofu and blow something up.
You pig shooter! :DQuote:
Originally posted by killabry
Fido didn't look good with lipstick anyway.Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
The most successful being the change in the cosmetic industry.
I don't like PETA. I like crime. The fact that PETA commits crimes makes them appeal so much more to me.
Let's go eat our tofu and blow something up.
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Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
why not the use of the word dissapear than exploded. The constituion does allow free speech, although numereous laws have curtailed that. His use of wording is suggestive though.Quote:
Originally posted by cyk
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PETA's sympathies for ELF actions were apparent in a recent speech by PETA Vice President Bruce Friedrich. "I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow," he said.
he didn't say that they would , could or should blow anything up - he said if it happened (by circumstance) it would be great.
Last I checked we still had a Constitution that allows for free speech , thought , and ideas.
Hey- if you don't like it your welcome to protest it- its your right
his poor choice of wording would be no different than a radical groups saying
"it would be great if every (insert minority group here) was shot dead tonight".
Yeah there are safety laws that prevent invoking panic say by yelling Fire in a theatre, etc.
but what he said is legal- just like unfortunately people can say leaglly- "it would be great if every (insert minority group here) was shot dead tonight". -- its not nice but its legal and thats better than nice
:D
I also like how PETA posts those animal testing videos on their site to further disgust us.
Anyone see the one with the flamethrower tests on pig's flesh?
True, but these statments reflect the fact that he has no sympathy for the people he dissagrees with...only his pet bunny and hermit crab.Quote:
Originally posted by cyk
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Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
why not the use of the word dissapear than exploded. The constituion does allow free speech, although numereous laws have curtailed that. His use of wording is suggestive though.Quote:
Originally posted by cyk
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PETA's sympathies for ELF actions were apparent in a recent speech by PETA Vice President Bruce Friedrich. "I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow," he said.
he didn't say that they would , could or should blow anything up - he said if it happened (by circumstance) it would be great.
Last I checked we still had a Constitution that allows for free speech , thought , and ideas.
Hey- if you don't like it your welcome to protest it- its your right
his poor choice of wording would be no different than a radical groups saying
"it would be great if every (insert minority group here) was shot dead tonight".
Yeah there are safety laws that prevent invoking panic say by yelling Fire in a theatre, etc.
but what he said is legal- just like unfortunately people can say leaglly- "it would be great if every (insert minority group here) was shot dead tonight". -- its not nice but its legal and thats better than nice
These statments...and hundreds of others by PETA reps seem to show that they wouldn't think twice about donating to someone who is willing to destroy in the name of animal rights.
Incidentally, PETA has released conflicting statments about their donations to the ELF. They told 4 different reasons at 4 different events. One said it was for vegetarian promotion, one said for ELF legal fees, the others had differing statments as well.
They'll say whatever they need to say to stay out of hot water, apparently.
Clif
That right there should sink their boat.Quote:
"The law is clear ... [a] charitable organization can't advocate acts of civil disobedience, acts that break the law," Arnold, of the Center for Defense of Free Enterprise, said.
Clif
then why can Churches organise pro-life rallys?
anyway- so the guy has less compasion for people than for other animals- thats a moral judgement.
Also if you read the article the word perhaps maybe and possibly are in every pragraph- theres just nothing to substantiate the sinking of the ship....yet
If those check claims are legit there is...
Anyway..what is wrong with a pro-life rally? We certainly aren't advocating violence against abortionists or their clinics.
Clif
well its still civil disobedience to block entrances to abortion clinics and harass their patients (I think)
Im not saying your Church does it- but some do (or at least used to)
that was a point I was going to bring up.Quote:
Originally posted by cyk
then why can Churches organise pro-life rallys?
yes a church or religous organization can organise a pro-life rally. However if a minister or what have you, was to say "It would be great if every abortion doctor was shot tonight, and every abortion clinic blown up", he could be liable (both civil and criminal) if any attendy blew up a clinic or shot a doctor that night.
If that church or orginzation was found to finicially support a group doing those activities their tax status could be changed.
by the way just becuase your pro-life does not mean you advocate the death of people, quite the opposite.
There are idiots in every circle. :)Quote:
Originally posted by cyk
well its still civil disobedience to block entrances to abortion clinics and harass their patients (I think)
Im not saying your Church does it- but some do (or at least used to)
I would never any form of civil disobedience in promotion of being pro-life..or any other belief.
Those who do are in error, as the the bible is clear that we are to obey the laws of men.
Clif
So you're against those who come out in support or provide any kind of funding to those who would perpetrate violence on others?
Hmmm... sounds like a lot of governments I've heard of...
:)
Didn't say that.
I'm against orginizations that receive public funding...and tax exempt status that support illegal activity...even so far as to fund it.
Clif
BTW, I left a response in the One Second thread at DG for you. ;)
I came across a news item recently stating that PETA was lobbying the Government to place a ban on all fishing in National Parks. One of the justifications was the "undue stress" placed on the fish. I guess there isn't much stress put on the fish when it's eaten by another fish, or swipped out of the water by a bear or bird. I think they forget that we are animals too, and like many other animals - we eat meat.
Personally, if I'm camping in a National Park, I plan on eating fish - so I don't have to haul as much food (and garbage) with me. Nice to see my tax dollars funding that little gem.
On a similar vein (since it was brought up) ever notice how the right-to-life folks are also the biggest supporters of the death penalty? Hard to take them as more than just religous zealots.
5G
There is a BIG difference between abortion and supporting the death penalty.
An unborn child has done no crime, and is killed for the sake of convenience 98% of the time.
The death penalty is punishment for murder. If you are going to make the decision of life and death for someone else...we are going to make that decision for you.
Completly biblical...completly just. And good common sense.
Clif
If you truely believe in the Bible, you would let your God decide who is guilty. It's been proven many times that innocent people have been executed unjustly. I don't think a "God" would make that mistake.Quote:
Originally posted by clifgriffin
The death penalty is punishment for murder. If you are going to make the decision of life and death for someone else...we are going to make that decision for you.
Completly biblical...completly just. And good common sense.
Clif
Murder is murder, regardless of how you justify it. The US has a constitution, not a bible - as it's charter. Isn't that why we are against radical Islamist? Because they believe the Koran justifies their actions and violates people's human rights?
5G
Peta does some things i can support. I'm all for animals, including those that will be eatten, being kept in respecatable conditions.
Other things, I agree with them on opinion, such as fur being wrong (from animals that aren't eatten). However this is opinion, and people can disagree, that's fine.
Still other things (bombings) I can't agree with at all.
To sum up, PETA does do some ok things, but they also do some god awful things.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.Quote:
Originally posted by clifgriffin
The death penalty is punishment for murder. If you are going to make the decision of life and death for someone else...we are going to make that decision for you.
Completly biblical...completly just. And good common sense.
-Ghandi
If you understood the Bible you would know that the Bible allows governments to decide whether they want to use capital punishment or not..it is totally up to them.Quote:
Originally posted by Wheels
If you truely believe in the Bible, you would let your God decide who is guilty. It's been proven many times that innocent people have been executed unjustly. I don't think a "God" would make that mistake.Quote:
Originally posted by clifgriffin
The death penalty is punishment for murder. If you are going to make the decision of life and death for someone else...we are going to make that decision for you.
Completly biblical...completly just. And good common sense.
Clif
Murder is murder, regardless of how you justify it. The US has a constitution, not a bible - as it's charter. Isn't that why we are against radical Islamist? Because they believe the Koran justifies their actions and violates people's human rights?
5G
Either way is fine...it isn't wrong not to use it...and based on the bible...I can't say it is wrong that it is used... I think it is a sensible punishment.
Oh and radical islamists use of the Koran to justify murder is not anything the same..
Clif