Any Christians out there who are looking for other Christian designers?
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Any Christians out there who are looking for other Christian designers?
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Any designer who labels themselves as Christian/Baptist/Mormon/Jewish... whatever... is turning business away... I don't do business with people that have little jesus symbols on their front doors.
Bad practice (no pun intended) if you ask me.
I have never looked for business @ FK. I come here for help.
Not what he meant. If you look at his site, you'll see it is free of religion. (nice site BTW. :))
Enstent, yah..I'm a christian. :) Now for the designer part...still an official "wannabe". Just finished my first for pay website last week though...looks like there is another one on the way.;)
I guess I came across the wrong way... what I mean is... I just simply don't like it when people mix business and religion... not accusing you of doing that, it was just a general post with regard to business and religion.
I am glad to see that you don't have a jesus symbol on your site :) way to many sites and companies associate themselves with religious organizations and all it does is drive away business.
Are you in IT?Quote:
Originally posted by clifgriffin
Not what he meant. If you look at his site, you'll see it is free of religion. (nice site BTW. :))
Enstent, yah..I'm a christian. :) Now for the designer part...still an official "wannabe". Just finished my first for pay website last week though...looks like there is another one on the way.;)
I'm in IT up to my neck.
depends on your business and location.Quote:
Originally posted by SpyderTL.com
I am glad to see that you don't have a jesus symbol on your site :) way to many sites and companies associate themselves with religious organizations and all it does is drive away business.
LOLQuote:
Originally posted by SJT
I'm in IT up to my neck.
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seriously though, we are on shaky ground here. If you are implying that you will only work with christian designers then you are breaking various descrimination laws.
If it is simply a friendly enquiry then fair play to you, just don't let your religious beliefs prejudice you against others who are less worthy of God's grace ;)
You know that qualifies as racism?Quote:
Originally posted by SpyderTL.com
Any designer who labels themselves as Christian/Baptist/Mormon/Jewish... whatever... is turning business away... I don't do business with people that have little jesus symbols on their front doors.
No it doesn't. christianity isn't a race.Quote:
Originally posted by joebeanyuk
You know that qualifies as racism?
It does break various laws and spits in the eye of the US constitution.
I think we are getting somewhere here.
nowhere fast ?
various laws spit in the eye of the US constitution.Quote:
Originally posted by swampy
It does break various laws and spits in the eye of the US constitution.
religion and design is funny...
when my site was online and i was seeking work, a company (name irrelevant) asked me to an interview as they really liked my work etc... at the interview things all went well until they asked if i was religious... my answer obviously wasnt what they wanted to hear as i lost the interview as i wasnt muslim.... ha!!!
companies like that really do make me laugh.
Untrue. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hiring based on religion. It isn't unconstitutional in the least.Quote:
Originally posted by swampy
It does break various laws and spits in the eye of the US constitution.
Just as you can specify a standard morality when you're renting out apartments, you can choose who you will do business with.
Now if he was a publicily funded orginization that would be different.
Also..he's in canada so US laws wouldn't even apply.
To answer his question though...not I'm not officially in IT, but I do IT related tasks as part of my part-time job. (Still in highschool) ;)
Like the one that says Marijuana is illegal?Quote:
Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
various laws spit in the eye of the US constitution.
And things come around full-circle...
:D Sorry, couldn't resist.
...which was odd, because the second one should have seen it coming.Quote:
Originally posted by CNO
Like the one that says Marijuana is illegal?
And things come around full-circle...
:D Sorry, couldn't resist.
Whether it is unconstitutional or not to hire/not hire on the basis of religious affiliation is neither here nor there, especially as a good portion of FK regulars do not live in the US.
It could easily be seen as immoral though, as it bears zero relevance to the ability of the user to the job in question. Of course, it could bear relevance to whether the people at said company would want to work with you, but that too is odd, to say the least.
Anyway, where's jamescover? He's the resident FK christian designer. Maybe he's interested.
A lot Christians feel that they shouldn't enter into business parternships with a non-christian.
I don't think enstent was even talking about this so I'm a little confused as to why we are. ;)
im pagan, so everyone should work with me :D
I wasn't exactly looking for a Christian business partner or someone to work with. I just wanted to see if there were any Christians on FK! It would also be great to contact them and see if they are working on any interesting Christian projects.
to get in a business with someone you should both have the same views so the business can be run properly with less disputes
i feel that religion should be set aside from business, i only ignore the people that force or mention religion while talking about possible work...or if the work is dealing with any kind of religious activity
what if the vatican had 5mil up for grabs to a webdeveloper??Quote:
Originally posted by Vatcher
to get in a business with someone you should both have the same views so the business can be run properly with less disputes
i feel that religion should be set aside from business, i only ignore the people that force or mention religion while talking about possible work...or if the work is dealing with any kind of religious activity
for 5 million.... I could be any religion they want me to be.;)Quote:
Originally posted by Onionboy
what if the vatican had 5mil up for grabs to a webdeveloper??
me love religion long time... oooo me so greedy, oooo ooo me so greedy ;)
i agree with serpent star :)...for alot of cash i'll do it
Eh? Does that mean you never work with anyone who doesn't have the same views as you??Quote:
Originally posted by Vatcher
to get in a business with someone you should both have the same views so the business can be run properly with less disputes
umm... i think i'll duck in for a sec and say.. yeah.. to answer your question.. i'm a christian and i design websites.. nice to meet you!..
I'm not working on anything currently.. but I am working something out with my pastor to do a church web site.. I'm also trying to get my foot in the door at a couple of churches.. I think I could really sell a couple youth pastors on a good flash site for their youth groups..
SJT, noone is saying they won't work with non-christians..certainly not.
I can see wisdom in not partnering with someone who does not share your faith. There are just practical reasons for this..beyond the bible. If you don't see eye-to-eye on religion, you probably won't agree when it comes to business ethics and practices too.
Clif
im always interested in charity work, so if anything comes up let me know... if it takes my fancy ill be happy to help anyone.
why not?Quote:
Originally posted by clifgriffin
SJT, noone is saying they won't work with non-christians..certainly not.
I can see wisdom in not partnering with someone who does not share your faith. There are just practical reasons for this..beyond the bible. If you don't see eye-to-eye on religion, you probably won't agree when it comes to business ethics and practices too.
Clif
when Christians have enough trouble agreeing between themselves on moral and ethical issues?!
There are some pretty immoral christians!
Personally I think morals and ethics are a societal issue rather than a religious one, but maybe that is just my outlook...
I would rather work with a person without labeling them!
is it possible to live a life without labeling people? i know we all say its bad, but it part of life...Quote:
Originally posted by pissant
I would rather work with a person without labeling them!
without labels we have no sterotypes...
I can tell you all this... in my experience with clients, the subject has never come up. Ever.
Non Christian doesn't equal non moral. Im agnostic myself, but I never take my clients down an unethical or immoral road, be they Christian, Wiccan, Jewish, or Satanic.
I think so yes because I am talking about individual people, therefore stereotypes do not apply (not for me anyway)Quote:
Originally posted by Onionboy
is it possible to live a life without labeling people? i know we all say its bad, but it part of life...
without labels we have no sterotypes...
sure you can say "jews hold on to their money" "Russians are short" "New Zealanders smell" or whatever stereotype you want but when you meet someone you do not have to immediately shove them into a group.
Maybe this is unrealistic but well I've met some pretty mannish women, and some stupid scientists... so, hmmm..
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Originally posted by serpent star
I can tell you all this... in my experience with clients, the subject has never come up. Ever.
Non Christian doesn't equal non moral. Im agnostic myself, but I never take my clients down an unethical or immoral road, be they Christian, Wiccan, Jewish, or Satanic.
aren't satanists christian by defintition?:yikes:
well kinda?:D
I guess if you figure a belief in "Christ" denotes christianity... well then yes... I guess. I think that the difference between say Jews and Christians is the belief that God and Jesus Christ are one and the same tied together in a holy trinity of the Father, the son, and the holy spirit... While Jews believe that (and I am not schooled in the Judaism so I may be wrong) God is one supreme entity, and jesus christ was nothing more than a blasphemis prophet.
I would guess that the belief in Satan as a supreme entity is more a key to satanism than a belief in a christian trinity or old testament God beign Satans storied adversary. I have no idea by which half of the bible satanists base thier beliefs. so on that note... no.
Final answer is... I have no clue.;)
And I would never classify that way.Quote:
Originally posted by serpent star
Non Christian doesn't equal non moral. Im agnostic myself, but I never take my clients down an unethical or immoral road, be they Christian, Wiccan, Jewish, or Satanic.
What I said was that if you want to look out for yourself, you won't enter into a business partnership with someone who doesn't view business ethics the same as you...which is somewhat impossible without similar religous backgrounds. (I believe a persons beliefs on ethics and their religion are tied hand in hand)
As far as labeling...you can be discerning, without stereotyping.
This would never apply to a client, boss, etc..you would have no business! :)
It is wise when parternering. (The Bible says not to be "unequally yoked" with non-believers. In other words, in the same way you would yoke two cows of different stature together to plow a field, you should be just as discerning in your partnerships in the world.)
Pretty good advice (for everybody) if you ask me.
Clif
I am very much in the IT industry, I run my own web development company, I work at a Fortune 500 electronics company, and I'm enrolled in a technology degree program at a local college.
In addition, running a website with 60,000 some pages that relate to programming, web development, and web design makes me very open to peoples opinions... just not religious ones :) business and religion should be seperated unless you are in the business of religion... in that case... eh, nevermind :)