http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast...ing/index.html
Terrible, why a student would do such I thing, I dont know.
-Mike
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast...ing/index.html
Terrible, why a student would do such I thing, I dont know.
-Mike
thats near my area, like 30 min away
Give it an hour and you'll have "experts" on the news blaming rave parties and video games.Quote:
Originally posted by mikecoutermarsh
Terrible, why a student would do such I thing, I dont know.
Was probly just not brought up right.
Don't forget television and movies! Parents are never to blame, it seems. Neither is the child themself to blame when it comes to these 'experts'. I'm with Chris Rock when he said "What ever happened to just plain crazy!?"Quote:
Originally posted by CNO
Give it an hour and you'll have "experts" on the news blaming rave parties and video games.
But yeah... :( sucks that this keeps happening.
Most likly the parents fault in these situations. Or the kid just had problems.
My point exactly. But people will try to find excuses for it. "Well, it's because he watched such-and-such TV show and played such-and-such video games. These are the only contributing factor to why the child may committ such an act."Quote:
Originally posted by mikecoutermarsh
Most likly the parents fault in these situations. Or the kid just had problems.
Just have the guts to say "The kid was either a psycho, his parents didn't have the courage to discipline & teach their child, or both." Why does it have to be an excuse?
because excuses are easier to swallow than the truth.
I blame socially mal adjusted people with easy access to firearms.
Those peeps are crazy. At my High School Football games, they raffel away shotguns and rifles at the door to the stadium. I guess the deep south has a different mentality for guns.
Kids with ADHD who are not properly takin care of(parents job) can be extremly violent.
i don't know if i would call a murder suicide extremly violent.
i saw a documentary about stephen king, he once wrote a book called "the gun" which was banned and taken out of bookstores because it was a "guide" of how to do bring a gun to school and shoot everybody. I'd like to read that book actually, but it doesn't seem to exist anymore.
ALthough that kind of books or movies (like the guy that shot the parents and said he got inspired by the sopranos) can act as an influence, it's not right to just make those influences dissapear.....if i want to commit a crime, i can get inspired by the sopranos or by barney or the simpsons, cause criminal are crazy somehow (either it's their parents fault, or society's fault, or it can even be genetic, or he was abused or whatever).....all i want to say is that movies or music or video games may be used as a trigger to commit the crime, but they are NOT the source of today's society's problems........
com'on.....priests (fathers) at churches.....they don't listening to marylin manson nor play playstation, and there are a lot of them abusing children.....what's the cause of that? God? hmmm i don't think so.
Aparrently, none of you have ever been in the "nerdie kid's" shoes.Quote:
Terrible, why a student would do such I thing, I dont know.
I havn't read the story, and don't know if he was a nerd.
But the hell they (we) go through every day is enough to push some over the edge. I don't adovacate shooting up your principle and fellow students, but, if he was a nerd, I know where he was coming from.
Never would I think of doing this, but I kind of feel for him. Being smart and having advanced computer skills make me a target. Go figure.
Don't worry, I'm not going to gun up flashkit.
And, in this light of my post, I refer you to a wonderful book, titled simply "geek". Written by John Katz, it has a wonderful chapter in it written just on the Colombine incident. Good book.
Note: The book isn't about Colombine. That's just a side part.
Don't be so quick to blame family or teachers.
Often, the pupils have a large part to play.
But I don't think that's the case with this one, because, as I heard earlier, it was just staff and himself. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I agree with Virgo. Your school mates can be very cruel with you if you are "different". And it's worst if your "difference" is that your teachers show your mates that you are "better" in an academic point of view. You're a nerd, a geek or as we are called in my country, "traga" or "ñoño". I'm and always was a "Lisa Simpson like" girl. I love books and computers. I won prices as a writer when I was 15. But I hated school. I hated the way my mates and the teachers were with me.
If you say to your parents that you don't want to go to school because you feel so bad, they usually say you're overeacting. If you tell your teachers (and you ususlly won't because that way you will be more "nerd" even) tell you the same: you're overeacting.
Not many adults seem to believe that being intelligent when you're a kid is an ugly thing.
If you collapse with their pressure, you've lost your advantage.
I was an assistant teacher for a few months on a Polimodal school (it would be US high school, I think) and I've found a few kids that were on the same situation I was when I was their age. No one believed what they were going throught.
And I talked to them. I think I make them feel better.
Kids and teenagers with a "nerd-potential" ;D should be listened to. They should be counseled and told that school is only a stage on your life. They should know that, if they collapse under the pressure, they will miss a lot of chances to have a great life. One of my years of tenagers I decided not to study at all.
I hated to have low grades, but I decided only pay attention to classes and that was all. I didn't want any of my classroom mates to catch me studying my notes or reading a book. I didn't want to give them the chance to laught of me because I was reading.
Kids that are in the situation I was should be taught that some of those kids that get fun of making them trip or hide their things or steal their books will end up in a much lower level of quality of life. That's the "nerd's revenge".
I'm 26, I have 2 universitary degrees, I have a wage that could be irrisory for US citizens but's is a lot for someone of my age in my country, I work in something I really like, I have spare time...
No one of my school mates that used to "torture" me (yep, it felt like torture when I was 13) can say the same.
ps: Please forgive me if I have mistakes on Grammar and Spelling. English is not my primary language and, even when I can manage myself with technical issues, social ones are more difficult ;D
Your spelling is better than many members here, with english as their primary language :)
Look at my footer. That's how I feel about today's society.
Have I ever seriously thought about blasting some of my school mates?
No, of course not.
Have I ever imagined their heads exploding?
Of course :D
But I do that just so it doesn't happen in real life ;)
Don't worry, I'm not gonna blast my school. :)
Yes, class mates could of effected him.
Virgo: Didnt I make that sig for you last summer? ;-)
Holy crap, yep, this is yours! I believe it's titled as your username, actually.
Yep, it's titled "Mike_swishylines.jpg"
Haha, thanks again.
Havn't seen you around for a bit.
*shoots up footer*
;)
the one thing about peer pressure is that if you're not prepared for it by your parents. dunno, my parents did a great job of preparing me for the ignorance of the people I may even call "friend"...
I still think it can all be traced to parents. Not unless the kid has hormonal issues. Then the parents should have helped with that too...
With all due respect, I think you're wrong. Perhaps the kid wasn't prepared. But I was never prepared for it, and I handle it fine, if I do say myself.
True, a parent should prepare their kid. But if not, maybe it was their first time parenting, and they didn't know.
Well, peer presure is still enough to push someone over the edge. If you hear about how stupid or ugly or poor or dirty or how old your shoes are, or the length of your pants, or the quality of your shirt every day every minute, no matter how much you were prepared, it eventually will drive you off the edge if you don't have an extremly strong "lifeline" that keeps you sane.
peer pressure is only as effective as you let it.
can't cope? tough. get better friends.
What are these so called friends you speek of? ;)
Well, to get new friends, sometimes you are forced to unlabel yourself as a geek/nerd/loser/goth/whatever.
You havn't been there before, have you gerbie. :)
been much worse. the only one of my race, from the northeast at a southeast school where I graduated two years earlier than the rest and totally wrecked the order of the class rankings.
and instead of wanting to kill them all, or kill myself, I just ignored them. sometimes it was hard, but you know what? as long as they didn't touch me, their words didn't mean crap.
people mainly suck. there's some nice ones, and when you find them, keep them. otherwise, the rest will get what they deserve... and you, just focus on your own goals. I don't think the editorial of a peer really should hit you that harshly.
and if they put their hands on you, then they deserve jail time. not revenge. take advantage of the educational system. misery and stupidity loves company.
Actually, I think most people posting here were probably at one time or another in the "nerdie kid's" shoes. I know I was.Quote:
Originally posted by ViRGo_RK
Aparrently, none of you have ever been in the "nerdie kid's" shoes.
The thing is, most people don't make grabbing a gun and murdering someone their first option, nor suicide. They will, for the most part, make some sort of cry for help, this extreme action being what they see as a last resort. Thus, I don't think it's wrong to blame the parents (of course, they shouldn't bear the entire burden either).
Oh, you don't need to tell me. I'm more than mentally stable..
I take it as it comes, and I have made a name for myself. I'm not labeled anymore, but people try. But they can't. Matter of fact, this leads me to an anticdote....
A kid in the locker room was being an ******* (suprise, suprise) because I beat him in lacross (goalie) 6 to 1.
He tried to label me as a nerd. I pointed out that nerds are normally not very good at sports (only in stereotypes). He labeled me a jock. I pointed out I was smart and good with computers. He labeled me a prep. I pointed out that this wasn't possible, because of the jock stereo. He got confused, punched a locker, and sprained a finger.
After a while, it just gets amusing.
Stereotypes are ridiculous.
Oh, didn't know where you went to school, Gerbick. Guess you've taken alot of crap also.
I agree. People suck. I think we are in dire need of an Ark II (bible reference, sorry).
Lets agree to disagree, although, we seem to be agreeing.
My head hurts. ;)
Sorry for the babbling.
I guess it's actually funny seeing ex-nerds and the type now become the same type of categorizing xenophobic types as the ones they were trying to escape...
becoming what they hate the most... imagine that!
Quite ironic... I guess.
I can't catorgorize myself, nor would I try to catorgarize anyone else. It just doesn't make sense.
Well, this thread has taken too much of my energy, good bye. :)