So, what do all of you guys think about gender equality?
I have a debate and was just wondering if you had any opinions or links to any decent site. The topic is "It is no longer a mans world" and we are affirmative. Any ideas?
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So, what do all of you guys think about gender equality?
I have a debate and was just wondering if you had any opinions or links to any decent site. The topic is "It is no longer a mans world" and we are affirmative. Any ideas?
Unfortunately, I say no. Women and minorities have to work twice as hard to get half of the recognition. Those that do make it, put up with more trials and tribulations than white males... especially in some markets and fields.
However, that's my opinion. I liked my old job where it was mostly women. Workplace seemed more focused on team ideals, and less likely to have office politics.
Any good links Gerbs? I actualy agree with you but im affermative so i gotta ditch my pov for the moment.
I don't believe women and men have reached equility yet, but then again, it's all in the eye of the beholder. I think the bigger problem is equality between people of the same gender; believe me, one (wo)man isn't equal to the next. I know that all to well.
I'm going by my experience with my current clients in about seven major cities and two countries and past clients... just something I've noticed.Quote:
Originally posted by squidlips
Any good links Gerbs? I actualy agree with you but im affermative so i gotta ditch my pov for the moment.
Always gonna be that way, some people are ugly, some arntQuote:
Originally posted by Fruitloops
I don't believe women and men have reached equility yet, but then again, it's all in the eye of the beholder. I think the bigger problem is equality between people of the same gender; believe me, one (wo)man isn't equal to the next. I know that all to well.
You know that all too well aye? :pQuote:
Originally posted by I_am_Tarzan
Always gonna be that way, some people are ugly, some arnt
People get discriminated against for being coloured, a different religion, how attractive they are, where they're from, their sex.... the list goes on.
The whole sexism thing has improved slightly over the last 20 years, but I guess there's still a long way to go.
Here's a few links I found :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1269926.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1605029.stm
equality in what? I think men and woman have different skills, brain and physical abilities. Should they get equal pay? Yes. Should a woman fill a roll in a company just to make the numbers up? No, the right person for the job should be chosen regardless of there gender. These are my personal views… now get in that kitchen woman and make me a coffee! :D
Not untill God stopes making woman out of spare parts.
(Spare ribs yet.)
I personally can't stand feminists as they hardly ever have a valid point and only make a fuss cause they feel the need to...
Really annoys me...
What doy ou think?
:smoov: Robb
I think that none of us are going to get out of this world alive and what we don't use we will feed to the worms.
There's nothing wrong with femininsm, per se, but what would happen if we were to start promoting masculinism? Think anyone would show up at the rallies? Probably not (unless there was free beer and strippers).Quote:
Originally posted by robbmcaulay
I personally can't stand feminists as they hardly ever have a valid point and only make a fuss cause they feel the need to...
Really annoys me...
What doy ou think?
:smoov: Robb
:D
Best thing about really radical feminists is that they rarely reproduce (well, would you want to???), dooming their subculture-type to a thankfully short branch in the big tree of cultural evolution.
And vamps brings it all into perspective.Quote:
:D
Equality, right?
I think women are by far superior and have been so for years.
A women can basically get any man to do what she wants with the mere possibility of sex. I doubt there is one guy out there that hasn't done something stupid just to get a girls attention, or one further, to get a girl to like him.
This is one argument from a feminist I don't understand. I was talking to an activist and she says the men do thing subconsciously to degrade women. Picking up a check at a restuarant, holding the door open, pulling out a chair, can supposedly be seen as a man saying "I am dominant and you couldn't do this without me"
I'm sorry but when I leave my appartment and the doorman or doorwoman opens the door for me, I don't see it as a demeaning ritual, maybe I'm messed up... but instead of thinking "I must have been too weak to open that door myself" I think "hey thanks for getting the door".
Heck I invite anyone to demean me al they want, come to Montreal, you can buy my dinner, pull out my chair, buy me gifts, carry anything heavy I buy, open doors for me, and all those other demening things.
Also for those who say there has never been a female president, well there has never been an unmarried one either. And in most cases it's pretty clear who's wearing the pants anyway (cough.. Hilary) this is not attacking American's, I'm just using the USA because Canada and Britain have had female PM's
Don't get me wrong, I agree with equal wages and equal opportunities for everyone. But there are some people who take the issue too far.
Yes, Men and Women should be equal in many respects, but not necessarily the same.
how in the **** did this thread degrade so quickly into some downright sexist ****?
Pray share with us how this thread is sexist? (Except for vamps' pic, of course).Quote:
Originally posted by gerbick
how in the **** did this thread degrade so quickly into some downright sexist ****?
I think people are simply expressing their opinions. I hope you didn't see my post as sexist, As I have nothing but the highest respect for women. I was raised in a single parent home since I was five and have not even talked to or seen my father since I was 6.Quote:
Originally posted by gerbick
how in the **** did this thread degrade so quickly into some downright sexist ****?
My mom shares most if not all of the views I expressed, as she does, I believe that many feminists degrade themselves simply through frame of mind, by taking an innocent or meaningless gesture (such as opening a door) and viewing it as a put down.
I forget the name for it in psychlogy, but thinking that everyones actions are purposely done to insult, harm, or degrade you is a mental disorder.
here are some highlights that make me think as such:
- "some people are ugly, some arnt"
"vamps picture"
"Not untill God stopes making woman out of spare parts."
"vamps picture"
"A women can basically get any man to do what she wants with the mere possibility of sex."
"vamps picture"
Seriously though. I don't think the stereotypical librarian can seduce anybody with her sex appeal to force me to learn the Dewey Decimal system. Nor do I think that ugly has anything to do with how equal people should be treated. Smart, can do the job, don't cost me more money due to you having to take more time, I don't care how you look. Do the job efficiently... all I care about.
Get a woman out of your house and you will save a thousand dollars a year on toilet paper alone.
Paranoia? And how am I thinking that you are insulting, harming, or degrading me?Quote:
Originally posted by flipshark
I forget the name for it in psychlogy, but thinking that everyones actions are purposely done to insult, harm, or degrade you is a mental disorder.
Nice assumption. Delusional is also a good psychology term to embrace.
Bumpas... your a crazy mofo
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Originally posted by gerbick
Paranoia? And how am I thinking that you are insulting, harming, or degrading me?
Nice assumption. Delusional is also a good psychology term to embrace.
Whoah, let's not get into psychologic namecalling. No-one here is delusional or paranoid (or schizophrenic, or obsessive-compulsive, or anything else) until one can show a signed slip from the doctor's.
I'm certified ok.
:crazy:
Then get your flatbed from the dust and present us a freakin' note. :pQuote:
Originally posted by gerbick
I'm certified ok.
:crazy:
I've created a logoset for our mutual friend/contractor cause I had nothing better to do, wanna see?
Gerbs, that term was NOT directed at you. The statement was a direct reference to my previous post.Quote:
Originally posted by gerbick
Paranoia? And how am I thinking that you are insulting, harming, or degrading me?
Nice assumption. Delusional is also a good psychology term to embrace.
Too clarify, my previous post said that a feminist I know (who is a good friend although we disagree on many issues) said pulling out a women's chair or opening the door for her is "degrading", in that the man is subconsciously saying "women are too weak to do this for themselves"
I then went on to say how when the doorman opens my door for me when I leave the appartment I do not feel degraded. Thus this is obviously in the mind of the person walking through the door.
If you see the doorman as "putting you down" by opening the door then you are paranoid.
I apologise if you thought the statement was directed at you.
I dare to disagree, how do you think I learned linear algebra??Quote:
Seriously though. I don't think the stereotypical librarian can seduce anybody with her sex appeal to force me to learn the Dewey Decimal system.
Flipshark, let me be the first to apologize for my untrue assumption.
However, that level of paranoia is ingrained into the woman/minority via repeated offenses. Think about it this way. If you were treated that way, everyday, you'd start to look for the signs of that a person will treat you in a "second class citizen" manner. And it will ultimately lead to a bit of paranoia.
As a minority, I tend to pick up certain things, especially from racist people. Shake their hand, and watch their reactions... some people I have seen where they shook the man's hand before me and after me, both of the same colour as them, but me? They would slyly wipe their hand on their jacket or such - and no. My hands are not sweaty or wet :p
Also, while walking, seeing women clutch their purse when I walk past. And I'm wearing a suit! Or to even see how security does like to follow me around... and again, I'm usually nicely dressed.
Women, you have to see how men sorta treat them as either an object, somebody weaker to them, or somebody less smart as the men. It would induce some form of paranoia. I've had women friends talk about their jobs, and dude... they go through a mental hell if they were to allow themselves to fully get bothered by what happens, but they have to remain aware of that different treatment. Sorta in a place where if they say something, the people may not even notice their subconscious behaviour. I know I've caught some racists people in the middle of their actions, and they honestly did not know they were doing it. But they realized they were guilty of it.
Just another point of view.
I do understand what you're saying, and it is something I hadn't really considered. But then again this situation does create a paradox of sorts. If you are consciously being overly careful not to act different around someone of a different sex or race, isn't that also another form of sexism/racism?Quote:
Originally posted by gerbick
However, that level of paranoia is ingrained into the woman/minority via repeated offenses. Think about it this way. If you were treated that way, everyday, you'd start to look for the signs of that a person will treat you in a "second class citizen" manner. And it will ultimately lead to a bit of paranoia.
In other words, if I act different around someone of a different skin color/race/religion or sex, simply because I'm paranoid that they may be paranoid. Doesn't that sort of keep the prejudice between us?
she never did iron my shirt :p
Bah. She does do your sock drawer though. :D :pQuote:
Originally posted by vampstko
she never did iron my shirt :p
I believe from experience that 99% of women are equal to men, my mum brought up five boys and 2 girls on her own and as far as i am concerned she did a fantastic job, none of us ever got into any trouble with the police,used drugs or anything like that and she was not able to have a job so she was just living of what the goverment gave her and back then it was a pitence compaired to nowadays,but my mum was also degraded by my dad because he used to physically abuse her in front of us kids, but she faught for her rights and came out on top, and i soon was in her shoes, i got into a relationship with someone that loved to degrade me verbally and physcially and in the end he rapped me because he couldnt have what he wanted and no one has any idea how humiliating and degrading that is when a man does that to you expecially when he keeps contacting you and threatening your sons life as well as your own,so in that 1% of women they find it very very hard to be equal to men when they do things like that and in some cases as well its hard to get a job because you are not a man,reasons i have been knocked back from jobs that men do is you are not strong enough,there is only one toliet any excuse really except for them to admit they just dont want a woman to work there because then its discrimination, i could keep going on but i think that most of you would get the idea at what im trying to say yes to me most woman do have equal rights as men but then there are the few that don't,maybe one day the few women that have been knocked down so many times will find the strenth to stand up and fight for there rights i know that i am and i know i will win i wont let any man bet me down ever again and i will have equal rights as any man.
quite possibly the greatest thing I have ever seen in my life...Quote:
No one has the right to abuse an other person male or female.
Argh, this is a timebomb. I have just one thing to say:Quote:
As a minority, I tend to pick up certain things, especially from racist people. Shake their hand, and watch their reactions... some people I have seen where they shook the man's hand before me and after me, both of the same colour as them, but me? They would slyly wipe their hand on their jacket or such - and no. My hands are not sweaty or wet
Also, while walking, seeing women clutch their purse when I walk past. And I'm wearing a suit! Or to even see how security does like to follow me around... and again, I'm usually nicely dressed.
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Thank you for listening. :D
boom?
lol. Exactly.Quote:
Originally posted by gerbick
boom?
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Originally posted by jstarkey
Argh, this is a timebomb. I have just one thing to say:
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Thank you for listening. :D
"Ya'll best be cuttin dis here out befur i have ta sturt hittin dat dere bannin button ya'll here me now"
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Nonono, not what I meant. I spent like 20 minutes writing, then rewriting, a reply and realized I was jumping into a minefield, so I gave up. But I couldn't keep my mouth shut, so I just wrote what I did. I tend to feel a lot of the prejudism is a chicken and egg thing.Quote:
Originally posted by vampstko
<best jstarkey impression>
"Ya'll best be cuttin dis here out befur i have ta sturt hittin dat dere bannin button ya'll here me now"
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Had nothing to do with the admin title.