i'm currently working on it...

http://www.marmotte.levillage.org/_e.../crossover.jpg http://www.marmotte.levillage.org/_e...crossover2.jpg

> very playable (really :-)
> working combos, even complicated ones
> furybar growing and launchable
> combo counters (up to 100 for now)
> scrolling horizontal (and occasionally vertical)(of course with several layers)
> counter hits (when the two characters are attacking at the same time but one is a little bit faster, it does perform a counter hit and increase the damages)
> you may fall k.o depending on the hits you previously recieved (because they are saved in an array)
> swap depth. like a real fighting game, characters swap their depths when they are attacking each other
> each hit, frame, position of the character has it's own characteristics (strenght, resistance, points, visual effects)...etc. so i can be very specific here...

but the question is: character selection screen + 3 stages + effects = 1,3mo at the moment (of course i can load the stages as external .swf to low down the size).
characters: around 500/800ko.

will someone ever play a so heavy game if it's online? (maybe one day i'll put it online, you knows?) ^^ i can also put a downloadable version somewhere, why not... and add regularly new characters...

i was thinking about dividing the game, depending on you connection speed, and work for something like that:
high connection: play arcade mode, with very well animated characters
medium connection: play console mode, with character done like super nintendo, genesis
low connection: play handheld mode, with very little characters, like gameboy, or nes, master system, etc...

and also a mode with all characters available, mhhh it could be fun to fight with mario versus ryu :-) of course i'll keep the same engine (entirely rewritten if some of you know the old version and open source).

the main problem is file size... mhhhhh...

PS: the game is still very fast, but the scrolling may slow down all on slower computers. that's why i included a scrolling activation and desactivation ^^

800Kb?

For something like that? Well worth the wait, just make sure you show a screenshot on the webpage and people will be more than willing to wait.

The alternative of course is to load levels/characters as they are needed...


Ah man, that looks awesome. When do we get to see? Can i beta test? ;)

marmotte, 500-800k isnt that big of a size at all for an online flash game. Many games exceed 1 meg on miniclip.com, and dont seem to cause a problem as far as downloading goes for 56kers. I suggest you dont spend your time making different versions - but instead make the original game more complicated and more fun to play. BTW, I liked your screenshot, looks very promising.

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The alternative of course is to load levels/characters as they are needed...

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for the moment, characters are external .swf... oh, i forgot to mention, with that size they have full sound already :-)

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Can i beta test?

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it's not impossible ^^
though for the moment there's no loading bar involved at all...

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500-800k isnt that big of a size at all for an online flash game

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that size is only for one and only character :-(
so two characters on the screen: more than 1mo.
don't forget also the main screens (title, intros, selection screens, options etc.)
^ of course these can be loaded as external swf, but each time... not fun at all.
about a more complicated game... what can i add...? ^^

Oh rite, so correct me if im wrong:

1.3Mb - Main Stuff
500Kb - Character 1
500Kb - Character 2 (opponent)

Thats the minimum filesize? 2.3Mb...

It is a little large i guess, bordering the limits but probably still worth it.

how about making it mainly downloadable... Then have it check for updates/new characters?
could work....
looks amazing! well done!

i just sprayed my shorts looking at those screenshots...

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about a more complicated game... what can i add...? ^^

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well, due to the fact that we havent seen a release from ya for about a year, I cant really tell you much. While this has never been tried, after seeing the 3D mario kart engine by percy - nothing's impossible - so my suggestion - would maybe be adding multiplayer(not single client) support? When you're finished, you can always spend some time and draw your own characters, to not step on any copyrights, and sell the game. That would bring you enough green for a decade, babe ;)

If the game looks worth it (and that does), few people will care how big it is.
Is there AI computer players? (you didn't mention it as far as I can see)

Yes it looks very cool! I think 2-3Mb total would work if it loaded continuously. And by that I mean that it loads say 200-300 Kb and then you're in the menu system. You get to select character and other stuff, read instructions and whatever. By the time you've done all that it will probably have loaded most of it. And when you play again it should be cached.

Looking forward to seeing it.

My hats off to you marmotte for taking on something of this magnitude. And alone no less.

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Thats the minimum filesize? 2.3Mb...
It is a little large i guess, bordering the limits but probably still worth it.

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the bad thing is: each time you choose another character (or new opponent), or change the stage, or re-launch another game, then you'll have to wait again. ouch!!!

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how about making it mainly downloadable... Then have it check for updates/new characters?

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that's an idea. i was thinking about that...

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i just sprayed my shorts looking at those screenshots...

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oups ^^

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That would bring you enough green for a decade

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really? but it's *only* a flash game...

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Is there AI computer players?

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that's what i'm implementing right now. that's also why i rewrote all the engine; in order to allow with the same file the player's interactions OR the enemy self AI. and without using any if statment (if (playability=="AI") for example). well, my engine is pretty well done i think :-)

strille, good idea also, i was planning to add someting like that ... it has to be well organisated though...

thanks for your support, all.

note; i just included score adding (depending on a lot of actions parameters) successfully by using gif fonts... now i'm looking for AI (ouch!)

Thumbs up solider! ;)

What style of gameplay would you compare it to?

King of Fighters, Street Fighter, VS Series, Guilty Gear XX

or Mortal Kombat :rolleyes:

Anyhow, I just thought it might be cool if while loading in the character, beside the "Big Head Shot" you had the character in there stand animation. As a movie segment loaded (Say, the jump animation), the character would do the animation in place. Gives the view something to watch...

Just a thought.


-pXw

Looks really good. I think its worth the long wait, as long as you have a loading bar so you know its actually loading.

thanks asclepeos...

WilloughbyJackson
the gameplay is quite similar to the old version, but i added more tricks and enhanced the playability. compared to the old version, you have now the ability to perform a double walk forward/backward (left, left and release / right, right and release. it's pretty fast) or run forward/backward (left, left and keep pressing etc). also what's new is almost all i wrote in the first post above.
"Anyhow, I just thought it might be cool if while loading in the character, beside the "Big Head Shot" you had the character in there stand animation"
that's an idea. i see you played my old version... ^^ i played some ps fighting games (of course with a loading), normally they keep the characters portraits or display a loading screen. i'll think of it later ^^

PS. the gameplay will depend on the character... because i want him to have a fideless playability to the original game (in order to work with the character you see in the screenshots, i played a lot with the original capcom vs snk game to see his reaction. plus some faqs at gamefaqs helped me also ^^)

ziplockkitty
of course, a loading bar is needed... it's just something i have to work out (timeline organisation etc...)

note; i just worked out the vertical scrolling, and it's quite effective now. with several layers, so background or forgrounds elements may scroll faster/slower...

w00t! The King of flash fighters is back ;)

Just an idea as a 56k-er... when loading the character it would be a good opportunity to show some of the combinations to the attacks. I don't mind waiting for a few mintues if i've got something to do, and knowing a few moves before battle would help. But not ALL of them, of course, leave some super special moves to be found out ourselves :)

Can't wait to play this.

wow, finally a screenshot of your game marmotte ;) .. can't wait to see the final version .. great work marmotte :)

jonmack
that's a wonderful idea! (though the special moves are not really a secret since they are the same as the original characters). also, if you ever played a neo-geo game, you know that there is always before selecting the characters a "how to play" tut animated, that could also help you waiting...
about 56K, that's my case too, and i would never play a game that is more than 2mo... man, so many minutes to wait, duh! plus each time a new opponent appears... grr!
anyway i'll be finally a ADSL user soon. aaaahhhh, it's never too late ^^

vont
hehe... and the vertical scrolling is perfect this time.
i'm waiting also to see how your fighting game looks like (playability, etc...).

the first screenshot above is one of the fury availables for this character, if you wonder. i duplicated the character MC so that there's that multiplication effect (the blue characters following the real character).

i'm now implementing the AI. a lot of parameters are waiting for me :-) but for now it seems ok... since all the moves and all frames are categorized in arrays (these contain all the informations for each character's pose), i can easily launch the desidered one depending on a lot of values (let's say the player is just in front of you and jumping, trying to kick you, hop! there are some values calculated and the opponent may launch his anti-air combo...).

i hope it will be fun to play...

Heh. After seeing your first game, I'm sure it will be. :D

Of the top of my head (to be annoying (and cause I'm bored)) I'll list all the different basic animations I remember:

Stand
Intro
Outro (Victory)
Outro2 (Usually people have at least two victory animations)
Ducking
Ducked
Standing Up
Jumping
In Air
In Air Forward
Landng
Walking
Walk back
Dashing
Back Dashing (or Hop)
Blocking High
Blocking Low
Hit While Blocking High
Hit While Blocking Low
Hit High Weak
Hit High Strong
Hit High Fierce
Hit Mid/Low Weak
Hit Mid/Low Strong
Hit Mid/Low Fierce
Hit Crouching Weak
Hit Crouching Strong
Hit Croughing Fierce
Hit in Air
Knocked Over
Knocked Down
Hit the Wall
Hit on Ground
Recover High Weak
Recover High Strong
Recover High Fierce
Recover Mid/Low Weak
Recover Mid/Low Strong
Recover Mid/Low Fierce
Recover Crouching Weak
Recover Crouching Strong
Recover Croughing Fierce
Recover in Air
Recover from Knockover
Recover from Knock Down
Down
Get up
Taunt
Tie Game
Time Over Lose
Stunned Animation
Charging Power Level Animation
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Okay, I'm no longer bored...

-pXw

That looks AWESOME! It doesn't even look like flash. I always wanted to try and make a flash fighter, are there any good tutorials for this? I didn't see any on flashkit.

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That looks AWESOME! It doesn't even look like flash. I always wanted to try and make a flash fighter, are there any good tutorials for this? I didn't see any on flashkit.

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dude, http://www.marmotte.levillage.org/
marmotte has an open source which is well commented :)

he is a king amongst men! :D

that open source is an old engine. but it's working though.
upgrade it as you want :D

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vont
hehe... and the vertical scrolling is perfect this time.

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great, I'm so happy to know that :)

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i'm waiting also to see how your fighting game looks like (playability, etc...).

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yeah, I will post some screenshots of my game, SOON :) .. Now I'm working hard on it :D

vont, have you seen, the beta test of it is downloadable in a post near you ^^