super crossover fighter v0.2 [beta test]

http://board.flashkit.com/board/ http://board.flashkit.com/board/

some people asked it, so here it is.

sorry, it's not the role of a flash game, really, but the file is in downloadable format (.zip), forgive me. note, the filesize is quite big; 1,5 mo.
i put it here for a bug testing purpose. some are already known, some not (there are surely a lot of them! ^^)
note; a preliminary AI is implemented (sometimes the opponent is crazy). well, it works but deserve to be polished a lot ^^

ok, here's the link to the file, please don't forget to take a look at the readme file, all is commented... if you have questions, feel free to ask, you are welcome. and don't hesitate to post bugs.

http://www.marmotte.levillage.org/_e..._beta_test.zip

thanks people.

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i used some flash 6 actionscript. so flash player 6 is required...

edit: sorry I didnt read the readme marmotte, looks awesome, havent figured it all out yet, but you've made big progress(AI, wooo!). I loved the japanese voiceovers, that sounded great.

god good extremly nice drawings it must have taken you forever to draw those backgrounds and characters, can wait to try it out!!:cool: :cool: :cool:

nice work (again) marmotte

Fospher: did you extract the contents into a folder and then run it? Make sure that the file 'CVSSNK_kim' is in a folder called '_characters'. If its not, then it didnt unzip with full file paths.

Marmotte, thats wicked ill be sure to find some bugs for ya by tonight.

First you should have chars name somewhere in the selection screen.

And I almost broke my keyboard with your game.

Main problem I have, is way too small screen for such a big download. I want to have it fullscreen or at least double the current size.

I have 1 more suggestion, make it repeat the last 5 seconds of the fight in slow motion :)

Great work as always but I think the special moves are too hard..
Or atleast there should be a practice part.

ushino2
mmmhhh... the graphics/characters are taken from already known games. be sure to read the readme, the games they are coming from are mentionned there ^^

random10122
sure, there are bugs a little bit everywhere... plus i'll work the Ai, more adaptive to the current situation

tonypa
of course the screens are far from finished, it is only a beta test; playablity problems, bugs, glitches etc... of course the more advance version will include the name of each character, his size, etc... don't worry ^^ i wrote in the readme file that the screens aren't finished at all. they are just here to test the code for character selection, etc...
about the screen size (304x224) it's abolutely identical to a real neo-geo game... for the html version, of course the size can be doubled easily :-) fullscreen? that would be crazy, but awfully slow i imagine...
about your last request, urmmhh ^^ that kind of replay is suited for 3D fighting games... but i see what you mean. and at the same time the camera is rolling around the characters ^^ ouch

gasbag15
hehe, i played the game with practiced mode here ^^
yes, the combos are super hard to produce with the keyboard. isn't there an application that allow you to play it with your keyboard on PC...? it works for me (i'm a mac user).
i may consider to add a practice mode with a key that launches a combo, eventually (like the first toshinden game), but it will be not fun at all, i imagine... :-(

thanks for your comments.

:eek: Marmotte, that is amazing. It's people like you, making games like this, that make this board great.

I think what gasbag15 meant was a blank level, with no opponent, so you can practice special moves without getting beat up :D Or turn the AI off so you can practice the moves that require you to be near them.

And the Ai is good enough to beat me so far! ...but i don't have much practice with fighting games like this. ;)

ok this might be just an anomalous event, not even bug but it's worth mentioning.

1st round: I won basically by ducking and timing my moves as well as being cheap by jumping behind him whenever he gets up and doing a few multiple kicks to the face.

2nd round: He gets angry and somehow corners me. and does the blackflip kick 5 times and it sustains me in the air.

possible bug: when I throw him he sometimes goes the wrong way.

oh, thanks a lot for your comment! ^^

you are right, i just tested my game with a faster computer than the one i own. wow, the game is pretty hard that way ( it's a lot easier when it slows down)!!!
i'll low down it a little bit (make it more smart also). for now i just have to decrease several values and the game will be easier. but i really want to polish the AI. the enemy attacks way too often for now, in my opinion.
about a blank stage, it will be done. it was planned some time ago ^^

oh, i never tried to put 2 characters at the same time with AI. it could be fun to see them fighting "alone"...

Asclepeos
aaah, some bug report ^^

1st round: that ducking attack is terrible! yes, i have to polish the AI more and more. this was just a first try... i'm not completely happy with it...
2st round: i realised that the character was able to perform that combo only after applying AI... it's quite deadly also ^^
the fact is, he doesn't have to charge down before launching that attack, like you have to do when playing with him. it's his official anti-air move. he hit you 5 times with it!!! ^^ his score with me was 3...
throw: mmmhhh, when 2 character are very very closed, and the action is fast (less than one or two frames), it may happen. but it doesn't ruin the gameplay, i think. anyway, i'll fix that tonight.

a bug i had: you release the direction key, but your character continues to walk...

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2st round: i realised that the character was able to perform that combo only after applying AI... it's quite deadly also ^^
the fact is, he doesn't have to charge down before launching that attack, like you have to do when playing with him. it's his official anti-air move. he hit you 5 times with it!!! ^^ his score with me was 3...

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The classic Street Fighter II Guile computer bug...:p

My comments:
The combo system is excellent, and moves not only flowed together nicely, but they also looked like combos. The characters reacted to the hits very nicely, and it really felt like a fight game.

Unfortunately, I could only get Kim's special moves off about 15% of the time. I remember getting Terry's and Xia-Fen's moves off every time I tried.

I'll have to play around more later.

-pXw

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Unfortunately, I could only get Kim's special moves off about 15% of the time. I remember getting Terry's and Xia-Fen's moves off every time I tried.

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ouch! the fact is, that old combo system only allowed one type of combo, and this one accept almost all. mmmmuok, i'll try to mix both techniques, thanks for your report...

maybe also you cannot launch the combos succesfully each time because of the ennemy, you are more nervous so your presses aren't as percise as if you where alone on the stage...?
i'll take a look at that, a fighting game without combos isn't a fighting game!

I can get combos off, I just can't pull special moves off...

Down, Down-Forward, Forward and Kick.. Things like that. I just couldn't get the timing down for some reason...

When I did Down, Down-Forward, Forward and Punch in the old engine, the character did the special move.

Maybe the computer I'm on is too slow, or my timing is way off...

-pXw

That is simply sick :) nothing more to say. Cant wait for completed version.

best fighting game ive ever seen in flash, runs so smooth

I wonder at what fps

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Maybe the computer I'm on is too slow, or my timing is way off...

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aaaah! that may be the problem. because the game runs quite slow with my old comp, i maybe didn't let too much time for combos. i'll try to correct that, and if it's not the problem, i'll look for another solution. it has to work!

oh, WilloughbyJackson, do you still have stage mugen files?
i have myslef a LOT of mugen stages (almost all in fact), but i cannot convert them using the mugen utilities i have. the only one supposed to work with stages (mugen character maker, i think) don't launch at all, the old and new version of it... maybe you can help me with this? please contact me if it's possible, thans a lot ^^
(note, i have all the files around here)

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Cant wait for completed version

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well, when the engine will be a little bit more ready, i'll release some new characters (and don't forget, i have around 2 gigas of characters sprites awaiting!)

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runs so smooth

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haaaa, that's fine! am i the only one that play my game that slow or what? ^^

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framerate

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don't forget that i'm always the most fideless of the real arcade games. so, knowing that the window size is exactely the same as a real neo-geo game, super crossover fighter runs at 60fps, like absolutely all my games. maybe it's too much, but its a pleasure to play a game as smooth as a real one ^^


note, i just let 2 computer characters fight against each other with their actual AI. that's quite excellent ^^

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Originally posted by marmotte
note, i just let 2 computer characters fight against each other with their actual AI. that's quite excellent ^^

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have a swf we can see?
ps marmotte im sending you a pm now bout something

Flawless as usually !!!

I would be interested in earing how you managed the AI ( big lines, of course, just to get the concept ... )

I will try it more intensively, and report bugs ...

jtnw
well... the game is now only downloadable, so i don't want to update the file each day and say "download and test it please". i hope you understand me... btw my 56k connection doesn't help also :-(

luxregina
thanks a lot. about AI, don't be so enthousiast, it's a first try (i wrote it in a long evening), i still have to polish it, make the character smarter.
for now, the AI looks like that (don't laugh)

> the opponents looks for the distance between him and you. there are 3 distance possibles, known as "near", "medium", "far".
> then, he looks for your current pose, known as "stand", "crouch", "jump". then all his moves are referenced in a lot of arrays. for example there's an array that contain all your "crouch+near" attacks. (it's automatic, i didn't write all these arrays by hand). now he launches for example an attack "crouch+near+strong". becauseach attack has it's own power level ("low", "medium", Strong"). they are launched randomly regarding some variables, that tells how frequent he launches x or y attack. another example, when you are really near the opponent, the array that contains all throw moves is activated (but not forced to be launched, depending again on his personal values). sorry, i hope my english is understandable...

NOW, what can i add/change:
> an array that record each attack you launched ( i have already one that record all the hit levels you take, and it may activate your ko state, see the readme file if you want to know more). that way, if you repeately attack the same way, the enemy may react differently
> more pauses in the enemy attitude. here he seems to be a red bull addict (un gros bourrin quoi ^^). but still defensive and offensive; not too much, i mean

awww, i think i answered you, for now. if you have a better idea, or some gameplay enhancements, don't hesitate, i'll includ them if the character's animation allow me to, of course ^^

thanks for testing.

marmotte if youd like someone to help make your fullscreen game a reality let me know.

If anyone would like to see the game in fullscreen.

Requirements: Visual Basic Runtimes, and DirectX 7

1) download marmotte project
2) verify you unzipped it right by playing as the character that works
3) download this(http://www.xmcnuggetx.com/Flash/mara...fullscreen.exe) exe into the same directory you earlier unzipped marmotte's stuff into
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4) NOW RUN IT ;)

Nugget

blah as i wrote this i remember maramotte you have a mac... well this will work for windows users

The game looks and feels greate marmotte

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Originally posted by marmotte
jtnw
well... the game is now only downloadable, so i don't want to update the file each day and say "download and test it please". i hope you understand me... btw my 56k connection doesn't help also :-(

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no problem, i have 56k too and really wouldnt want to download the file either. and thanx for the site, it helps alot :)
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squize, what program did you use to do that, its amazing

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Originally posted by xMCNUGGETx
If anyone would like to see the game in fullscreen.

Requirements: Visual Basic Runtimes, and DirectX 7

1) download marmotte project
2) verify you unzipped it right by playing as the character that works
3) download this(http://www.xmcnuggetx.com/Flash/mara...fullscreen.exe) exe into the same directory you earlier unzipped marmotte's stuff into
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4) NOW RUN IT ;)

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Yes, yes, thats what I meant! Now I can see them fighting :)

bug: I jumped over the guy, and instead of him turning around, he just stood there, didnt turn around, nothing. So i punched him and we went crazy again

@Mcnugget: is that XXL flash or similar software? Runs faasstt, thanks for the download

Really great work marmotte :) .. I'll play a little more and see if there's any bug ..(I know where to find them ) ;) !

doooh, i want to see it fullscreen also!!! it might be so impressive...
is the scrolling smooth? especially the one that have elements flying all around (the graveyard...)?

ok, now that you play it fullscreen, you can see how the shadow is ugly and has nothing to do in pixel proportions :-(

strabge bug, fospher. you mean, if you didn't hit your opponent, he will stay as a statue? too bad. also, there are some problems with the gotoAndStop()... sometimes it may happen that two gotoAndStop() are performing at the same time, for example:
you press backward to make you character walk. at the same time, the opponent hitTest you. the event is at the same frame. sometimes you'll loose life, displaying that hit effect also, but the character simply walk, like if nothing happenend...
anyway to fix that kind of conflict?

also, if you have problems with combos, i'll try to work again with them...

thanks for your report, this one is quite serious...

The software is just simply visual basic and using directx to change the resolution.

basically what it does is resize the users screen to 320x240 so the speed is just as fast as if the user was playing it at 320x240.

just something i quick whipped up for the project. could create an exit button in flash that sends an fscommand to quit rather then the ugle button in the top right corner..

Nugget

Hey xMCNUGGETx i tried to run the program through winxp and that windows xp error thing comes up and it forces it to close. How can i fix that or doesnt it run on xp ?

hhhhhrmmmmm.... ive got xp and runs just fine here.

WinXP should have at leaste directx7.. maybe you dont have the vb runtimes...

try installing the vb runtimes:
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...VBRun60sp5.exe

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Originally posted by marmotte
(...)for now, the AI looks like that (don't laugh)(...)

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Well, there is nothing to laugh about : all of this is pretty clever, and it also seems "open" to a lot of tweaking ...
I actually think your AI is quite agressive ( which is always a compliment in a fighting game )
The "recording" of the repetitive attack could be a good idea : that could be a trigger for the enemy using his special moves ( sorry, don't know the term for that ) : that way, you would get heavily sanctionned for not changing style often enough ...

A suggestion : i understand that you want to respect every aspect of the original game, though, the panoramic mode as one can guess it (when the swf is at 100%, but in fullscreen), look totally cool to me !

Keep on that really good work : you start having a collection of games that makes me jalous ! ;)

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the panoramic mode as one can guess it (when the swf is at 100%, but in fullscreen), look totally cool to me !

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ok, i tried the game with my mac, resolution at 640x480 (with the scrren i have, i cannot go down anymore). it's cool. but i'll keep that window size. just imagine the game is emulated: the 1x size display the game exactly like i do. then you have several options, like 2x, 4x etc... i may include something like that, who knows? btw is it possible to use actionscript to enlarge the window (and extand the MCs) or do i need to have separated swf? (each one with a window size different). but it will not be as smooth as simply changing the resolution, though...


ok, i just want to mention that WilloughbyJackson is giving me some nice and clever advices behind the scenes... the gameplay of my game will be enhanced for sure... (more interactive, with some additional possibilities). he has a lot of good infos in hands. thanks, WilloughbyJackson. i'll pm you back later.

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(...) i may include something like that, who knows? btw is it possible to use actionscript to enlarge the window (and extand the MCs) (...)

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Ho...it is not that important, just wanted to state how much i love the 16/9 (or affiliated) format ...
About resizing dynamicly the swf, i've never heard of it, and it could get messy anyhow (ever tried to change scene format when working on a project ? huh ...)

[quote]ever tried to change scene format when working on a project ?[quote]
there are some little tricks to prevent too messy changes.

for example, this is something i always use in my games. imagine my window size is 304 pixels...

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if(_root.character._x<304){
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^ it will not work anymore if you change your window size to 610, because the character will stop at the middle of the screen, due to the changes.
that's why i always have a variable at the very beggining of the game that looks like that:

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screenY = 224

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and now, if you change your window size, you'll just have to modify that values, instead of looking all your code and modify all. it may help, and if all your code is based upon these variables, then the changes are super fast...

a bit off topic, but what if you made the size of a movie to 10x10 then changed the resolution to fullscreen, so even the most proccesor intensive game would run smooth. allthough speed might not be a problem with flash player x if its real. just a random idea

if the resolution is 10x10 then you would have 100 dots to make a game with ;) Not to mention the fact that I dont know of 1 monitor that supports that resolution =)

Nugget

wasnt that the point visual basic to change the resolution to 10x10? im probably wrong anyway :)
then lets just hope plash player x is actually 6x faster :D

http://www.marmotte.levillage.org/_e...crossover3.jpg http://www.marmotte.levillage.org/_e...crossover4.jpg

ok guys, i'll be away during two weeks. it reminds me last year, when i was working with rocky raccoon :-) i did a lot of progresses since... (well, i hope!)

note: maybe my web page will be desactivated (and all the links also); my host isn't free anymore, so it may cut all access. if it happens, i'm sorry... i'll have to find another one, i guess

note2: WilloughbyJackson gave me a lot of fighting game's playabilities infos and enhancements, i'll include them for sure in the next version ^^ they are very valuables. it will become more and more complex...
for now i divided each part of the game into external .swf... lifebars, effects, characters, stages, all is now in a different file... that way i'll can add things without you being forced to download each time. the main file is now 4 ko, and contains only the code. so very easy to update ^^

oh, i was tired of coding, coding, so i included another character, hibiki from last blade 2. her integration is 60/70% done, almost all her moves are here, i just have to redefine some values, because there are quite some differences with the male character ^^...
aaah, and finally i have a training room, where you'll have the opportunity to perform your combos quietly, and look at the list of all moves, learn the damages, etc... mr wood will help you. it's integration is 90% done...

ok, so see you in two weeks!