Is Flashkit going to the dogs?

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08-14-2003, 05:49 AM
gazday

Is Flashkit going to the dogs?

I submitted a movie to Flashkit a while back:
http://www.flashkit.com/movies/Basic...6166/index.php

It's been up on FK for a few years but has a small error in the code. I get several emails each week from FK users asking why it isn't working. So I asked FK to replace the file with one that's correct. Trouble is, in 2 years I must have asked them 20+ times to change it, and they still havent. I've got a thread in the feedback forum, which so far has been completely ignored and I was wandering if other users have had similar experiences?

So my question is this... Is Flashkit going to the dogs, or is this a one off? Discuss
08-14-2003, 06:29 AM
Markp.com

Sheesh... what a winger... have you emailed [email protected] ? :)
08-14-2003, 06:34 AM
gasbag15

Is Flashkit going to the dogs?

Yes..
08-14-2003, 01:03 PM
ViRGo_RK

I don't think so. But if the dogs happen to be really stiff, and have no humor, the coffee lounge might.

Markie warkie, is that a real e-mail address?
08-14-2003, 08:17 PM
I_am_TheFlasher

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Originally posted by ViRGo_RK
I don't think so. But if the dogs happen to be really stiff, and have no humor, the coffee lounge might.

dooh!! thats me:D
08-17-2003, 02:55 PM
itworks

my answer: yes it is... day by day :rolleyes:
08-17-2003, 03:04 PM
jstarkey

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Originally posted by itworks
my answer: yes it is... day by day :rolleyes:

Because?
08-17-2003, 03:08 PM
itworks

because you don't come here more often to keep it in order, because links are getting broken more and more everyday, because resources are getting more desorganized and out of date, in resume a little negligence lately, but this is just my opinion... i'm sure it's a lot of work and hard work but get more people to help then, lot of people that would gladly do out there.
08-17-2003, 03:19 PM
jstarkey

I've spent countless hours building systems so that others can help and they drop off after 2 - 8 weeks. Can't do it any more, so I'm trying to get as much done as I can, and eventually make it so the original submitters can manage their own stuff.

A lot of the problems posted in the forum are being worked on, because they are addressed in the new backend design. The problem is, the backend design is huge. I've been here two hours trying to clean up, so that's another two hours of development that isn't getting done. There is progress being made, it's just extremely slow. As soon as I can get the first full section converted -- the loops section, then people can update their loops, which will cut that much work out. The next will be movies, so people can update their own, etc, etc.
08-17-2003, 03:24 PM
itworks

i'm glad to hear the work is being done and for what it's worth i recognize that and give you credit. i imagine how huge it is to manage this site but that's the price of success i guess. so since a new backend in being design does that mean the whole site is going through a revamp? i think it would benefit from a redesign in some ways. keep the good work.
08-17-2003, 03:48 PM
jstarkey

There won't be a visual redesign until the functional redesign is complete.
08-17-2003, 04:10 PM
I_am_TheFlasher

Do you need a visual redesign?
08-17-2003, 04:15 PM
itworks

i don't they really need it but it would be very nice, a fresh look would do some good to FK, but i guess they are doing it well by starting from the backend.
08-17-2003, 04:27 PM
I_am_TheFlasher

The design right now s very easy on the eyes, but I geuss as soon as the backend is done, they or he or whoever can do want they want. Or we could do a vote?
08-17-2003, 04:32 PM
jstarkey

There's been talk for over two years regarding a visual redesign. It would be nice to at least freshen it up, but it's not the crucial issue at the moment.

The problem with the site is that it grew too fast. It was pieced together in an effort to keep up, and over the past year and a half we've been trying to make it one functional unit. It's built on old technology, like HTML 3, and cgi that is a serious resource hog -- which was fine until the server couldn't handle anymore. There are several other issues. Like I said though, it was all just a rush to keep the site growing and working as it grew.

Right now I'm trying to get it ready for now and two years from now. The new system will build the sites in XHTML 1 and XML/XSLT/CSS. XHTML will be available to all browsers and XML will be available via browser detect once I know that the site is function with the new system. This way, as HTML is completely phased out, we'll still be current. We won't have to do this again 3 years from now and we can withstand a major increase in page views if it comes along.
08-17-2003, 04:34 PM
jstarkey

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Originally posted by I_am_TheFlasher
The design right now s very easy on the eyes, but I geuss as soon as the backend is done, they or he or whoever can do want they want. Or we could do a vote?

We may even accept submissions, or make it collaborative. I can't promise anything, but since this is a site for designers, it makes sense to let the member's be a part of the design. Jupiter will decide on that, but I'll happily propose it to them.
08-17-2003, 04:41 PM
I_am_TheFlasher

Im not really sure what you could do to improve the visual design. But then again thats just me, and I haven't been here long enough for it to get annyoing. So...yeah anyways, Can't wait till the site improves!
08-17-2003, 04:42 PM
SmokeBombShoe

I think this site works a ton better then most.And I wouldn't mind a new color scheme.
08-17-2003, 04:44 PM
I_am_TheFlasher

Quote:

Originally posted by jstarkey
We may even accept submissions, or make it collaborative. I can't promise anything, but since this is a site for designers, it makes sense to let the member's be a part of the design. Jupiter will decide on that, but I'll happily propose it to them.

If you did except submissions I would deffenintly enter a design in.
08-17-2003, 09:19 PM
argonauta

Quote:

Originally posted by jstarkey
We may even accept submissions, or make it collaborative. I can't promise anything, but since this is a site for designers, it makes sense to let the member's be a part of the design. Jupiter will decide on that, but I'll happily propose it to them.

i think that's a great idea. I'd be glad to participate :D
10-14-2003, 09:11 AM
steve_rat

it's good to see that with such a massive site to upkeep. mr. starkey still has time to address the concerns of the little people on the forums.

and this whole designers sending in new designs later down the track sounds like a good idea. im thinkin nothing to major..

maybe a new logo? or something like a new header or something. much the same but a little diff maybe a little more modern (but i know that'll date quick i guess)

i dunno

steve rat
10-14-2003, 09:16 AM
jstarkey

Quote:

Originally posted by steve_rat

maybe a new logo? or something like a new header or something. much the same but a little diff maybe a little more modern (but i know that'll date quick i guess)

I have a development version of FK in XML/XSLT parsed server side. I'm doing this so that the site doesn't have to be recoded again when HTML is obsolete. It's moving slow though. Once that's complete and everything is in template format, the plans were to work on a new design.
10-14-2003, 09:21 AM
itworks

this has been asked before but never got a clear answer.

how can people submit a site for the FK award?

the link doesn't work!
10-14-2003, 12:42 PM
gazday

hooray!

Well, my movie got updated - thanks jstarkey, and all is well. I'd love to see a visual redesign, but I'd be much happier to see what's already here working properly.
10-30-2003, 10:43 PM
Steve_w_V

I don't relly have a problem with FK. It's well laid out, maybe a few more ad's than I would like, but sever space and/or domains cost money. ultrashock has got to be the WORST laid out site I have EVER come across. Waaaay too small, I feel cramped browsing that site.

I think it's ironic that the admin has fewer posts than some of the mods, but hey, he's a busy guy. :smoov:

I do have a question though- how would I go about changing the HTML code from OFF to ON?
10-31-2003, 03:48 AM
jstarkey

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Originally posted by Steve_w_V

I think it's ironic that the admin has fewer posts than some of the mods, but hey, he's a busy guy. :smoov:

Miko or me? Are you talking about FK or US?

Quote:

I do have a question though- how would I go about changing the HTML code from OFF to ON?

It's not something you can change. Which forum are you referring to?
10-31-2003, 06:47 AM
gazday

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve_w_V
Ultrashock has got to be the WORST laid out site I have EVER come across. Waaaay too small, I feel cramped browsing that site.

I think ultrashock is an excellent site, and I love the way the text is so small. You can get so much more on each page. The site is fast loading and, although there's less content than FK, it's higher quality and better vetted. If that's the worst laid out site you've EVER come accross can you send me your favourites list? Must be very impressive!
10-31-2003, 10:16 AM
jstarkey

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve_w_V
ultrashock has got to be the WORST laid out site I have EVER come across. Waaaay too small, I feel cramped browsing that site.

The trick, I've heard, is to right click and get out of the little window. Especially when browsing the forums.
11-02-2003, 11:35 AM
Jemadah

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Originally posted by jstarkey
Because?

That advert for one..

Why can't it swap places with the nav bar.. the nav bar should be on the top.. when i click on board, my screen gets full of adverts.. i have to scroll down for the board.. it looks stupid, if i wasn't a reg, i'd think this was a cheap spam site..

Sorry but its true.. :(

P.s i love FK, just saying this so it can improve.. :D
11-02-2003, 06:31 PM
gazday

bannertastic

Quote:

Originally posted by Jemadah
That advert for one

Totally agree... It's blatantly been added as an after thought. Someone's decided they need more advertising space and just stuck a banner script straight after the body tag coz it's quicker. Obviously the site relies on banner advertising to generate revenue but they could be better integrated into the overall page layout.

JStarkey - Why not set a competition to design a new set of layout templates for the site? List the criteria of what's needed in terms of advertising space etc and see what happens.

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