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wow, a <p> tag! Now that's a step forward for FP.
:D :D :D
Just out of curiosity, what applications do you use to create/edit HTML pages? Personally I use a mixture or EditPlus And Dreamweaver.. :mrpimp:
Arachnophilia: it's just notepad, but highlights the tags.
I use DW as well.
shame on u! always use notepad. hey, fospher, where do i get ur program?
I used homesite for the longest time. It got bought out by macromedia a couple years ago and just got integrated into dreamweaver mostly.
Here you go buddy, it's freeware:
http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/index_old.html
Arachno = net/web
Philia = love
Love for the web baby!
Spiders are way cooler than dreamweavers anyway. Not to mention more hardcore.
OMG yes! I love Homesite! I used to use it all the time, but now I've been using Dreamweaver MX (not 2004). I used to love Codesweep in Homesite, that's the only feature that Dreamweaver hasn't taken.Quote:
Originally posted by pooon
I used homesite for the longest time. It got bought out by macromedia a couple years ago and just got integrated into dreamweaver mostly.
I use Dreamweaver for everything now. Still on MX, 2004 is out of my budget.
i use dreamweaver at work, cause they use SOFIA (a framework for java) that has a nice set of dreamweaver components to create jsp's applications easily. Besides that, the templating system in Dreamweaver is cool.
But i'm a notepad coder. I use HTML-Kit (at www.chami.com ) i don't know if it's the best, but it was the one i learned with, and i stayed with it.
why?Quote:
Originally posted by Ihoss
shame on u! always use notepad.
I use notepad for coding CSS and javascript, but always build sites in dreamweaver though I mostly handcode in dreamweaver rather than using the wysiwyg features. The manual code entry in dw is fine, the highlighting is good and the code hints save time, plus you can take advantage of all the site features dw offers such as template editing site-wide and file sharing.
dw is crap with scripts though, its css thing is inadequate though I'm not sure what the mx2004 one is like, I think I will always prefer to handcode css, but I still hand code it in dreaweaver sometimes.
use whatever works for you. Personally I can code a lot quicker in dw and the site features help if I have to change an element or a link across all pages, and by applying templates to a site you effective create a css for site structure.. change the number of columns in a table on one page and it changes across all pages created by the template for example, unless you tell it not to.
some people will always prefer coding in notepad and that's fine for them but I hate that attitude that if you don't code in notepad you're not as good, it's dumb, try different apps and methods and use what suits you best, ignore the elitists.
I could go on and on about how you should use notepad or wordpad only, but instead I'll tell you why I use it.Quote:
Originally posted by aversion
why?
I DON'T OWN ANYTHING ELSE!
I think my website looks pretty decent considering every version of it has been created using notepad and ms paint only (other than the logo, everything was done by me).
Notepad takes longer, its more difficult for finding errors, etc., but then it does give a lot of control.
My point is why reinvent the wheel??
If you have other stuff, more expensive stuff, or stuff that makes the job 100 X's easier, why not use it? I know I would.
My 2 cents :D
I remember when we had to learn html in school. I'm glad they made us do it but once they showed us Dreamweaver it was like giving a lighter to a caveman.
the only thing i would say that is a necessity with html is learn how to code it by hand, whatever you use to build sites in the end.
i have both dreamweaver and frontpage, but when i try to use them, the page just ends up in a pile. whenever that happens, i use the code edit function, so instead of messing about in the wysiwig part trying (frustrated) to get something in the right place and finding out that it was nice enough to change some of the stuff (like table and cell widths) and then i have to go back to the html to fix it anyways.
and its also much cooler to use notepad and seeing all the code. then when someone comes over they think ur doing something very importatn, just like when u open files in command prompt ;)
HA! Best laugh I've had all day.
Did anyone notice the JS code in that ad? It was Dreamweaver generated code. MM_preload.... sound familiar?
yeah. and the double </p> on the bottom text. classic.
Haha! I didn't notice that. Anybody know who does the marketing for Microsoft?Quote:
Originally posted by PAlexC
HA! Best laugh I've had all day.
Did anyone notice the JS code in that ad? It was Dreamweaver generated code. MM_preload.... sound familiar?
Anyone have the problem that when you hit Ctrl + Z too many times in Dreamweaver, it poops out? Drives me absolutely crazy.Quote:
Originally posted by Steve_w_V
I use DW as well.
Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z......Quote:
Originally posted by Ultima Designs
Anyone have the problem that when you hit Ctrl + Z too many times in Dreamweaver, it poops out? Drives me absolutely crazy.
erase word
Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z......
erase line
Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z......
erase page
Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z......
dreamweaver closed
Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z......
dreamweaver uninstalled
Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z......
windows turned off
Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z Ctrl+Z......
hard drive formatted
:D
I kept staring at that ad, trying to figure out what it was you people were talking about.
After a while I realized that I turned off gif animation.
As for what I use, I made that clear in that other thread, but it seems to be somewhat similar to Aversion (only, I speak with more hatred, while he speaks with reason :D )
I agree with av.
It seems like a lot of people just think its cooler to use notepad. It's not.
you suck.
Anyway I use Frontpage if I'm trying to do something that is just screwing up for me in notepad.
oh yeah and lmfao at </p></p>
</p>
But isn't your site just a lycos template?Quote:
Originally posted by Ihoss
shame on u! always use notepad. hey, fospher, where do i get ur program?
I use Arisesoft WinSyntax it works on most languages with hightlighting and is really small. Usually the first program i install after formatting my PC.
</p>
I use Dreamweaver MX2004, although I do my debugging in notepad...
use to use notepad to create pages, but to be truthful, I find DWMX2004 so easy to use now its not often i do much in notepad any more...
I think it is cricial to learn how to code HTML by hand...and absolute MUST! I dont care if you use DW, FP, HomeSite or what.... if you get an error (which WILL happen)...you need to understand what you are looking for to "tweak" and make fixes.
I write HTML in notepad and DM MX 2004 at work....mostly just basic remote/local viewing and HTML editing..not much of any backend stuff.
You can also look into a program caled UltraEdit I love it...
it will highlight your sytax like Dreamweaver does.. but it works with HTML, JavaScript, C++, C#, Java, .ASP...and ActionScript! =)
Just a basic text editor like notepad..but highlights all syntax..plus has BLOCK indenting..etc..etc...lots of features
-whispers-
I have to Out myself here, I own a legal bought and paid for Frontpage 2002. I find it easier for organising the individual componets that I do in flash and the upload/publish functions seem a cruise.
I often find that a bit of Editor/Notepad is the way to go, especially when you just want a peek and can't be arsed to have the whole FP open up. FP also shows up my mistakes and the auto features often give me an idea of how to do what I wanted to in the first place(kind of like looking in the back of the maths book for the answers).
I know DW is the way to go and I expect I will get there one day, but my first impression is that it is even more cluttered than the flash interface which does'nt leave much room to see the design. It must be that I have a limited ability to hold an Image in my head, I need to see it onscreen(17" at 1024x768 is my max). Further more I can find no really cheap courses of introduction to DW, I have tried the online stuff, but as an Oldie I benefit more from the Teacher/Student style of instruction.
Being as building Web Sites will always be my Passion/Hobby and not my Profession I am not sufficiently driven to learn the absolute best tools/methods immediately. I will learn, but my BMW, Semi-detached House, Skiing Holidays & Daughters Education do not rely upon it. Maximun respect for the guys who use "Insert fav. app." and for the results they achieve.