Notice how bush is being more assertive with his answers?

Shooting numbers from nowhere, being more descriptive, not being the usual george he was in the first debate?

With logic and reasoning, many have come to the conclusion that he is fed information by an assistant off-stage.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...ge_203body.jpg

See that giant box in his suit? It's not a wrinkle in the suit - thats completely dismissable - its a perfect rectangle. It is actually a radio transmitter transferring signals to his ear piece - hence the reason the distance is so small from the receiver to the (ear)piece. The administration has not explained anything on what that box might be - simply stating a school prankster would that they didn do it. Who is transferring the signals cannot really be confirmed, whether it was debate analysts, Dick, or maybe the Illuminati hiring him for yet another matter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3730364.stm

Please keep the thread debate-issue free, conspiracies only.

it's not a radio transmitter, it's a small vile of highly concentrated crystal methamphetamine.

can someone highlight to me where is the giant box?

It's called a backbone.. which if u look at kerry you'll notice is lacking ;)

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Originally posted by luvenny
can someone highlight to me where is the giant box?

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Between the shoulder blades.
It wouldn't show so much if he listened to Laura and quit slouching...

Hey, I just realised where I've seen that bulge before.
(I can't believe I just typed that.)
Did anyone else here see (or read) "The Puppet Masters"?

Ok, I'm getting really creeped-out right now. :scared:

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Originally posted by Hellsbellboy
It's called a backbone.. which if u look at kerry you'll notice is lacking ;)

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Yes, but you'll notice that the President's ends halfway up his back, long before it reaches his brain...

I'll leave you all to speculate.;)

speculate? it's old news.. :rolleyes:

It is interesting though, Bush did considerably better in the last two debates as far as his speaking patterns were concerned. There were many more "Ums" and "uhs" in the first debate.

Though I don't think it means anything. I highly doubt that his admin would be stupid enough to put a radio transmitter on his back, knowing there is a risk that if he leans a certain way, it would show through his suit.

Are there any other pictures of this?

I think it would be hilarious if he gets caught out doing this!!

And his admin not "stupid enough"? Well, they were stupid enough to blatently lie to the public about Iraq to achieve their agenda, so why wouldn't they be for this, which puts less lives at risk and would at worst make the president look like a little more of a fool than many already think?

The pros would certainly outweight the cons for the admin... win the election, or lose the debate and then the election. It really all comes down to how much weight they put on the debates as to how much risk they would be willing to take...

Anyway, let's see what the next few days bring us with further evidence...

Ha ha, funny as... :D

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Originally posted by Hellsbellboy
It's called a backbone.. which if u look at kerry you'll notice is lacking ;)

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So how many wars have you fought in exactly (or Bush)? One thing to disagree with someone's policies, quite another to say that someone who has fought in a war is lacking backbone...

Oh, and before anyone takes offense and goes off with, "Blah blah... how could you think... blah blah...", a wise quote from a related article...

"...neither clothes nor even a lump means much compared with the momentous issues now facing us."
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-207135c.html

This thing about bush having some sort of receiver on his back is old news that hasn't got an ounce of life in it.

I mean really this is typical desperation dirty last minute tactics to smear his credibility in as many ways as possible.

Not even the most Pro Kerry Blogs and web sites are running this story any more, its a dead cat.

Still I guess people will want to believe anything.

And on the subject about misleading the people about Iraq,
Kerry had the same intelligence information as Bush did AND voted for war in Iraq, he would then be just as equally guilty for misleading people.

The report handed down last week stated clearly that the evidence of WMD's in Iraq which were NOT found went against the intelligence information of France, Germany, Britain and even the UN at the time.




Tony

there is no way Bush was wearing a wire during the debate. how could anyone perform so poorly if he was wired with the answers?

They were both full of manure.....but Kerry's was a bigger pile coupled with lots more diohrea. Bush did well enough to maintain his lead.

Kerry talks the talk but his record shows he dosent walk the walk.


Tony

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Originally posted by XcVbSdRw
there is no way Bush was wearing a wire during the debate. how could anyone perform so poorly if he was wired with the answers?

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Ha ha... Didn't one of the articles somewhere say that if he was wired up they should sack the guy feeding him the answers 'cos he was that bad?!

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And his admin not "stupid enough"? Well, they were stupid enough to blatently lie to the public about Iraq to achieve their agenda, so why wouldn't they be for this, which puts less lives at risk and would at worst make the president look like a little more of a fool than many already think?

The pros would certainly outweight the cons for the admin... win the election, or lose the debate and then the election. It really all comes down to how much weight they put on the debates as to how much risk they would be willing to take...

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People in general aren't stupid enough to attempt what you think here is highly possible (expect for maybe Milli Vanilli who did something similar). After all this, 20 days before the election, they're just going to send him up there in front of 150 million people with a large radio transmitter strapped to his back which can easily be seen from 5 feet away? And somehow, if he were caught, at worst he would "look like a little more of a fool"? Something like this would destroy his campaign and the media would eat him alive.

I heard about this story a few days ago and haven't heard much more since. It's most likely being routed down to the National Enquirer and the likes, where the story will morph and into not just a radio transmitter, but an ALIEN radio transmitter. Typical Wal Mart fodder.

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Originally posted by Visionray
People in general aren't stupid enough to attempt what you think here is highly possible (expect for maybe Milli Vanilli who did something similar). After all this, 20 days before the election, they're just going to send him up there in front of 150 million people with a large radio transmitter strapped to his back which can easily be seen from 5 feet away? And somehow, if he were caught, at worst he would "look like a little more of a fool"? Something like this would destroy his campaign and the media would eat him alive.

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Oh well, then maybe I'm underestimating how serious some would take this then. I was just looking at it from the point of view that I know he's stupid, so something like this wouldn't surprise me enough to really care that much, apart from being worth a few laughs. C'est la vie...

And you knocking Milli Vanilli?! ;)

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Originally posted by Visionray
Though I don't think it means anything. I highly doubt that his admin would be stupid enough to put a radio transmitter on his back, knowing there is a risk that if he leans a certain way, it would show through his suit.

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The admin actually made it a condition of the debate that he not be shot from behind; the networks did it anyway, but they did try to keep his back off camera.

I have no idea what the buldge is, but the idea that Bush was having someone talking in his ear actually makes sense to me, after seeing his performance in the last two debates. They have really offered no other explanation for why he continuously took long, uncomfortable pauses, followed by brief periods of speech, or why when he appeared to be trying to remember a name or statistic he looked down as if listening instead of up, or why he made a point of saying 'Let me finish!' at one point when neither Kerry or the moderator were trying to interrupt him. If he wasn't wired, then I'd really like to know what went wrong that night.

The admin has offered different explanations for it, a wrinkle in the suit, an over starched shirt, blah blah. I'm with Letterman, it was a flask. :)

One of the major reasons for the speculation that he was getting audio assistance is that on at least two separate occasions (I believe he also used one during his convention acceptance speech), reporters covering an event at which he was delivering a speech picked up another voice via radio reciting his speech a few seconds before he gave each line. In normal situations this wouldn't be a bad thing, and many have suggested that it was for transcription by the closed captioning software, but it does set a precedent for people to question this. Many reporters consider it an accepted fact that he uses a radio.

"Top 10 President Bush Explanations For The Bulge In His Jacket:"

10. "It's connected to an earpiece so Cheney can feed me answers--crap, I wasn't supposed to say that."

9. "It's a device that shocks me every time I mispronounce a word."

8. "Just a bunch of intelligence memos I haven't gotten around to reading yet."

7. "Mmm, delicious Muenster cheese."

6. "John Kerry initially voted for the bulge in my jacket, then voted against it."

5. "I'll tell you exactly what it is--it's a clear sign this econonmy is moving again."

4. "Halliburton is drilling my back for oil."

3. "Oh like you've never cheated in a presidential debate.

2. "Accidentally took some of Governor Schwarzenegger's 'roids."

1. "If Kerry's gonna look like a horse, then I'm gonna look like a camel."

I would have thought that the leader of the most powerful nation on earth would have access smaller radio recievers than that

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Originally posted by swampy
I would have thought that the leader of the most powerful nation on earth would have access smaller radio recievers than that

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Supposedly, it isn't just a reciever: it's a rely device that accepts an encoded signal, decodes it and broadcasts it at a very low strength to a reciever deep in the ear canal.

Either that or the admin has realized it needs to start cutting back on spending... ;)

I posted this ages ago in another forum, but in jest. I can't believe anyone would take seriosuly the idea that they would stick a transmitter in the middle of his back when there is plenty of room in the small of the back or under his arms.

Who knows what it is, it could be a bandaid or a heat pack for a sore back, and they don't want to admit to it, and I don't see why they should. But this is the kind of thing the internet(s) was built for.

I thought the response of mark mckinnon, media director of the bush campaign, was funny:

"Since we put the metal plate in his head, we have had some measure of success with audio transmissions to the President."

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Originally posted by aversion
Who knows what it is, it could be a bandaid or a heat pack for a sore back, and they don't want to admit to it, and I don't see why they should. But this is the kind of thing the internet(s) was built for.

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*sniff* We live in such a beautiful time... :)

The only explanation I want from the Bush camp is what was wrong with him during the first debate? If they come out and say he had the flu and was drugged up, had another run in with a pretzle or was b***h slapped by Cheney one too many times, I'd buy it. But him being so far off his game without an explanation just leaves the field wide open to any apparent inconsistancy.

...and I like to hear people talking about the president's buldge; makes me nostalgic for the Clinton era...

=^_^=

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Originally posted by aversion
But this is the kind of thing the internet(s) was built for.

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I'll admit there's plenty of wild speculation but sometimes the ol internet(s) gets it right. how about those faked letters about Bush's national guard service? I think it was folks online who recognized the modern typeface and spoiled that one.

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...and I like to hear people talking about the president's buldge; makes me nostalgic for the Clinton era...

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at least Clinton had his bulge in the front! :) (I miss Clinton and his fiscal responsibility...not to mention his hilarious hijinks with "that woman")

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Originally posted by XcVbSdRw
how about those faked letters about Bush's national guard service? I think it was folks online who recognized the modern typeface and spoiled that one.

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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but it was never actually proven that they were forgeries, was it? What was admitted was that the source of the documents lied about where he got them from, and refused to say where he did to protect his source.

I thought all of the hub-bub about typefaces and superscripts had been more or less written off; I seem to remember one of the original people who objected to it later retracted his complaint.

Then again, I live in the same sound-bite world as anyone else and my attention span can't be trusted...

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Now correct me if I'm wrong, but it was never actually proven that they were forgeries, was it? What was admitted was that the source of the documents lied about where he got them from, and refused to say where he did to protect his source.

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The only typewriter available that could have done the superscript with the font spacing and all that was 20,000 dollar typesetting maching that required a month of training to operate.

Now i'm not going to say the government doesn't waste money, but i doubt that the typesetting machine and skilled graphic artist would have been an air national gaurd unit. There were other errors besides the font and document, some of the language itself was suspect.

I like how people cared more about the memos than his actual guard record. I like how we care more about his guard record than his presidential one.

/hell in a handbasket.

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Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
The only typewriter available that could have done the superscript with the font spacing and all that was 20,000 dollar typesetting maching that required a month of training to operate.

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$20,000? I thought it was more like 6?

Yes, PAlexC, yes we are. More attention was paid to these docs than to those used as rational for war.

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[B]$20,000? I thought it was more like 6?

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and you thought right!
20,000 was a figure for 2004 dollars, which is wrong anyway.

Ah, that makes sense. Don't know why I didn't think of that when I read your post...

Anyway, back on the conspiracy front, I noticed a strange occurance in the AP stories today: there was an item on Bush saying he didn't care about the debates right above a story on Mt. St. Helen giving the sky an 'errie glow'. Anyone else thing Cheney is deep underground right now forging rings?

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I like how people cared more about the memos than his actual guard record. I like how we care more about his guard record than his presidential one.

/hell in a handbasket.

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Maybe because it was a deliberate sleazy attempt by a "reputable" Network and Dan Rather to try and influence peoples attitude towards Bush and trying to affect his chances of being re-elected.

At the very least the should have been sacked.

I mean Democrats try to come across as the "principled" party, but they seem to want to shift attention on this one very quickly.

His guard record is out in the open from what I have read nothing shows that he failed or ran away from his duties, yet look at Kerry's Xmas in Cambodia claim.... now thats a different story.

If Bush wins this election (its possible he will ) he should refuse to ever do an interview with all the blatant biased reporters who have failed to do their basic duty to report. He should even make it his policy NOT to take any questions from these reporters during Press announcements.


Tony

man, Tony, you've really drunk the Republican kool-aid!!!

Last time I checked, political parties are not suicidal cults. And I don't think any comets have come around lately.

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Originally posted by XU1
If Bush wins this election (its possible he will )

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I won't get into this crappy speculation and conspiracy stuff, but I would say it's more than possible - it's entirely likely. It sure will be close, though.

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Originally posted by XU1
If Bush wins this election (its possible he will ) he should refuse to ever do an interview with all the blatant biased reporters who have failed to do their basic duty to report. He should even make it his policy NOT to take any questions from these reporters during Press announcements.

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The same blatanly biased reporters who only a few months ago were repeating, unquestioned, his talking points on tax cuts and the case for Iraq?

It's not as conspiratorial as you'd like to think. The press is the unofficial 4th branch of gov't.

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Originally posted by PAlexC
The same blatanly biased reporters who only a few months ago were repeating, unquestioned, his talking points on tax cuts and the case for Iraq?

It's not as conspiratorial as you'd like to think. The press is the unofficial 4th branch of gov't.

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Dan Rather is a self proclaimed "left" leaning thinker, and then there is the New York time editorials etc.

Its not a conspiracy, its a fact, and yes it works both ways, its just the hate for Bush for whatever reason seems to be more obvious and apparent.

Tony

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Originally posted by XcVbSdRw
man, Tony, you've really drunk the Republican kool-aid!!!

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Just facts that all, I dont see anything extreme from what I said.

Dan Rather is caught out red handed using forged documents to smear Bush. FACT

Then he holds on to his story refusing to admit what other document experts were telling him. FACT

Dan Rather finaly admits that he could NOT authenticate the documents, by now proven by professionals that they were forged. FACT

He keeps his Job as Anchorman at CBS. FACT

And I'm accused of falling for the Conspiracy theories??


Tony

There is no way it's a wireless system. If he did have a wireless system hooked up, you would see it in his ear, not on his back. I have a way smaller wireless system for my guitar.

I say it's a bullet proof vest.

Coming from a neutral stand point on the debates [foriegn national!] Bush came across to me very childish, in all three debates. I think Bush would make decisions based on his ideals, rather than what's best for the country.

Kerry came across to me, as strong and gracious. I never heard bush make any attempt to say something good about Kerry. But Kerry managed to compliment Bush on quite a few things.

I've been living in the US for two years, and when I call home [Australia] all my family and friends ask me if I am gonna vote to get rid of bush. Right now the world hates America, it's really sad. I love living here, the people [mostly :) ] are great. It's a shame the gov't sucks. I dunno if Kerry is the answer, but hopefully he'll do better than Bush, if he gets elected.

Speaking of bias in the news, I really thought it was funny when Bush more or less called CBS biased (then he remembered that the moderator was from CBS):

"In all due respect, I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about -- well, never mind."

Wasnt kerry talking about the Washington Post or some NY paper when bush replied to the statement?

...What I really want to know is what in the f he was talking about when he was mentioning pay-go system. Sounded like a bushism but you never know!