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I am new to the board and a neophyte to web development. I feel like the only mac user in a web created by the PC. Are there any others in this long dark tunnel? Does anyone have an opinion on this matter, or maybe an experience
to share.
Hello....HELLOOOOO!!....
Regards,Buddah
Hmmm, posted a reply to this yesterday but it seems to have been removed? I think I may have started to rant too much.
Plenty of Mac developers out there, and having used Flash extensively on the PC and Mac I know which I would choose ;)
Thank you for helping a fellow Brit windy.
I wonder, have you ever had to send a flash file to a pc over the internet.
I have tried to send some to friends, but they are unable to open them.
when I e-mail my .fla from my MAC at home to my work PC it works fine.
Are you adding the .fla extension when you save it on your MAC?
CheerZ
:D rosie
PC Rules. . .Period
http://www.dimensionstudios.net
i have the benefit of using mac at home and pc at work. mac has never let me down, it's awesome. as for opening files on pc from mac, i've never had a problem. just make sure you have the .fla extension or view all files.
i've seen people convert after giving the mac a chance.
i think pc is very limited in a graphic sense but it has its postives too.
my 2 cents.
eileen
Further to adding the .fla extension (this may or may not be a problem as I have not actually done it myself) you are sending the .fla file to someone running the same or higher version of Flash as you? i.e. I imagine if you're running v. 4 and sending it to someone with v. 2 problems are probably going to occur.
Further to the PC rules comment: I've promised to be on my best behaviour and will not offer a response...
Well, not today anyway :)
Pc rules ha ha.
You have obviously not felt the true power of the Mac. Join us and be enlightened.
HA i stick by my words "PC ROCKS" Mac sucks.
http://www.dimensionstudios.net
Pc rocks.Yes it is very unstable..
Windy,
I am sending the movie to someone with the Flash player only.
Please... the comment
I Dont Like Them!!!Especcially Imac's the mouse sucks on them!!!So you may have guessed that i use PC's!!!
Regards Flashguru
If you are sending the movie to someone with just the Flash Player then you must publish the movie and send them the .swf file (as opposed to the .fla which will only open in the Flash itself).
If you have any problems sending .swf files check out the Standalone & Applications section of Flashkit which has lots of handy hints for producing standalone Flash Projectors.
this is something I am always defending myself on, at a University that is all Macs, in the graphics labs, in the Advertising and Communication dept, etc. Here are the reasons I don't like Macs, will never buy one:
1) One button mouse. Sure there are keyboard shortcuts, and I know them fairly well. But there are certain things you get used to doing (create motion tween, right click PC mouse) many things in photoshop. I know the new Macs have two button mouses, mice, whatever. But not everyone has these at school. And there are no PC's there.
2) Why do I have to select from a top menu on a MAC to eject my ZIP disk? even with external IOMEGA drives, the button is always turned off, you still have to go to the menu.
3) Price. You will always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, always, forever... be able to build a killer PC that will destroy any $3,000 MAC G3 or G4 out there.
I know many people in graphics will swear by the MAC, and that is probably all the ever use. but when you use a PC, and you see how much easier things are on it, who wants the hastle? A few professors have told me that the only reason many graphics people use MACs is becuase that was the first computer that dealt with graphics and such. I see no reason there to abandon PC and join that Apple bandwagon.
comments, please!
mg33
Ah...the age-old debate rages on...
I've used both platforms all my life. I'll continue to use both platforms for the rest. The programs are about the same. The interface is pretty standard (although OSX is going to throw a wrench into things). I have to say, I can work faster on the PC, but weird things seem to go wrong with the system and I find myself restarting often. But, my UMAX mac clone crashes about 4 times before you can even start it up...and now that damn thing's CD-rom has gone out...and I don't have $2500 for a new Mac...
You know what rules? Linux.
Just thought I'd throw that into the mix. ;)
Rich
http://www.richpaul.com
hey.
about ejecting a disk on a mac?
all you have to do is either drag it to the trash, or control + click on the disk, or right click if you have a 2 button mouse, or go to the menu, look at all the options. hey i use both pc at work and mac at home. i think the interface on the mac supercedes the pc. it's a more logical interface in my opinion.
macs can get expensive, mainly their monitors that's why i bought a kds, not great but it works.
i'm sticking to my guns, mac iz da rula!!!
my 2 cents.
eileen
eileen, with the menu's, that's too much work! LOL
mg33
Where I come from command+Y ejects any disk selected.
Reliability isn't a fair comparison anymore, my Windows 98SE falls over a lot more than my G3. In fact Windows 98 is more stable running on an emulator (VirtualPC) on my G3 than it is on Dell Dimension XPS T600 with 128Mb Ram. Actually, it runs quicker as well under emulation if we're going to get really down to it.
With reference to the Professor's comments, most people will know that the Mac's architecture (certainly G3/G4 running MacOS 8 upwards) means it is soooo much faster at running things like Photoshop/Flash etc. that it makes PC's look like wind up toys :)
As for PC's being cheaper, you pays for what you get, I have never, ever had an Apple branded hardware failure (well, there was once, but that was my fault for running cracked software that corrupted a lovely new 1Gb HD - yes this was when 1Gb HD's were considered the latest, bestest thing) including a PowerMac 7100/66 that is nearly an antique in computing lifespans.
I've been scarred for life by the crappy, you don't know how crappy, macs at my school. I will never touch one again, no matter how good. I hate those things!!!!! Damn those Apple people and their previous monopoly over schools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
{squink}
Schools can make up their own mind as to which computer they want.
Considering the amount of PCs in yer face every where you go, i don't think Apple are monopolizing anything.
Price is certainly an issue for most, but i agree, you pay for what you get.
I wouldn't shut down my learning curve just because i thought i had to go through a menu to eject a disk.
This is always an interesting topic for me, so i hope we hear more views.
Regards. Buddah
I am one with the mac, but I am open to the dark side. I will never fully cross to the dark side though.
[Edited by buddah on 07-06-2000 at 06:06 PM]
Squink, where do you go to school? I'm near Dallas, TX, and I totally agree with you. Maybe, just maybe, if I had a new G4 at home I would come around. But I doubt it. Yah, I seriously doubt it. MACs are all over the place, yes, they are monopolistic on the networking in schools and businesses. Not Microsoft monopolistic, but you know what I mean.
over and out
mg33
Buddah - I use a load of programs for web design on the Mac and some of these i use on the PC too. When all's said and done the PC world have it easy cos there's so many of them and all software is available for PC's (normally). That said i'll still keep my Mac thanks, and suffer whatever consequences that may bring (none to date).
A wise man once said, "The choice between which personal computer you use should be just that - personal."
That's good enough for me. :)
I'm up in canada (toronto). And yes the macs did (keyword: did) have a monopoly, not over the market, but they would give the computers to schools cheaper so they would buy alot. If there something apple is good at its marketing, small things like that and making the imac pretty sell like crazy. Does anyone think imacs would sell as well if they were grey and ugly? no way. Anyways, now schools are coming to their senses and buying lots of new pc's. In case anyone thinks I'm talking about universities and colleges I'm only 14 so I'm talking about High Schools and Junior highs, middle schools, elementary ect.
They were really bad computers, the other kids don't mind but I used to get SO frustrated they were really really bad. I can't stress that enough. You'd probably feel the same way if u were in my position.
PS- don't take my comments so seriously, I'm not altering my learning curve I just have strong preferences.
thanx.
[Edited by squink on 07-07-2000 at 12:43 PM]
I work as a network administrator on a Hybrid network that has Novell, Unix, Lynux and Windows NT (No Macs..) I personally have a pc and a recently purchased Imac G3. I would have to say I use both of them on a regular basis for side projects (Flash design) and I see great advantages to both platforms. Only difference is, Macs are proprietary(which I DESPISE!) and pc's are not. Another thing I find interesting is the subject of Bill Gates vs. Steve Jobs. They are both evil. Does anybody else think so?
My two cents.
Meth
i would have to say bill gates (is more evil from the two). one, he's been around longer (monopolized the industry) jobs came back into the picture in the mid-90s. two, bill gates owns a piece of apple so he obviously knows something good when he sees it. how can you say macs have monopolized the industry? people buy pcs b/c their cheaper (not better). isn't bill gates in the process of being sued b/c of monopolizing the market? imacs are the answer to lower-end pcs but they are still good (g3 processor) they're just as cheap as pcs and are faster than them. i have a question? anyone here that opposes to the mac... have you ever tried it, atleast the newer versions of g3 or g4 or imac (i'm not talking about clones)? i use both so i have a pretty good perspective. by the way i'm in a university and all the administrators and the computer labs suped up their offices and bought g4's with the apple monitor to match. it's a pretty big university... university of florida... have you heard of it? ;)
e.
people people, read all of the post before you go complaining. I said they had a monopoloy over the schools. i also said that I wasn't talking about universities or colleges. Geez. I never once mentioned the word industry. I propose a rule. Before you post you read over the message you're replyng to, that would save alot of um...post space? Go to any school, atleast in Toronto and you will find many macs, maybe they have bought pc's recently but you will never ever find old pc's. It's a fact.
and yes thank you I've heard of the university of florida.
da what? i have been reading! i've been posting. someone asked a question about bill gates vs. steve jobs. that's how the issue came up. and topics do evolve, i wasn't directing my post to you m'kay. i was being general.
don't take it personal. :)
e.
u said how could you say macs have a monopoly over the industry. Which no one said.
To monopolize is to have full control. As cheap as Apple made their computer, the school still had the option to buy PC.
When i say to Sqink about her learning curve, it was just a little advice.
I respect everyone's personal preference as to which computer suits them. But it seems this war will be around for a while. All I am saying to her is the more you know the better and knowing both platforms can only be an advantage. As much as I loathe the Pc, knowing it isn't going to hurt me. Knowing both is going to open doors.
I envy you squink for having the option of computers at 14. Use the time to learn everything that you can.
Every one has their opinion and I'm sure none of us mean any offense by expressing them.
We can only learn from each other.
Regards Buddha
Let's get back on track.
[Edited by buddah on 07-07-2000 at 08:32 PM]
{squink}
i just want to set the record straight... i said 'monopolize the industry'. i was refering my post to the people saying pc is the best thing in the world (i am paraphrasing now). this is just my opinion, i thought i was discussing. the last thing i want to do is offend. as i said discussions evolve, i was just defending my opinion this is what i meant, pc does monopolize mainly b/c that's the computer that everyone uses, it's become the norm for so long. for example i wanted to purchase the 'actionscript viewer' but couldn't b/c the software developers are only familiar with pc, i know cause i spoke to one of them. the swift tools at least through their web site, is only for windows machines. i know through your previous posts you mentioned several times that you meant in the past and only elem. and secondary schools. i just borrowed your term and used it in my post, not directed to you exactly. as i said i was being general.
i hope this cleared the air.
peace.
no hard feelings. ;)
laters.
eileen
oops sorry, I feel stoopid now. hehehehehe.
:)
:D