http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5400570.stm
This time at a one room Amish school.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5400570.stm
This time at a one room Amish school.
Just finished reading about it on CNN and was about to post. What the hell is going on? I know that this type of thing has happened numerous times before, but this is like the fourth one in under a month.
Edit: Make that 5... link
I know these are serious news, but I don't think that suddenly this things started happening. I'm pretty sure stuff like this happens everyday, everywhere, but the news found that this news sell, so they will be reporting about anything involving guns and schools, just as what happened with news about how your children are in danger everyday, and crazy predators everywhere. It's true, this stuff is out there and it happens, but the media just finds the opportunity and scares everyone, so they can sell the news.
Over here, a few weeks ago, a bus had an accident, killing all passengers inside (42), except for 5 children....all of the 42 passengers where related. Mainly, the bus was a piece of trash that should have never been used. Anyway, suddenly, you see everyday in the news about another bus accident, or car accident, or stuff related to why this bus passed all revisions made by police. As this bus was originally a school bus, suddenly people are saying that all school buses must be checked. Anyway, you get the point...all of this was a reality before that accident. Right now, though it's true something must be fixed, you can clearly see that the media exploits everything about this.
And it's most likely the media's fault for creating copy-cats as well.
Doesn't that happen every week in Ecuador?
I agree with you. Much news like this just doesn't get published even though it happens every day. Then when news gets slow they dig up something like a school shooting. The sensationalism of a school shooting spawns copycats.
It is both the media's treatment and the individuals fault for copycat acts.
(when the act is committed by an adult) All three share the blame when a minor is the culprite (media parent child)
After 911 kids started to call in bomb threats at there high schools. Much of the public was outraged when children were prosecuted to the full level of the law.
"It was only a joke" "The courts are too harsh"
Well the courts didn't back down and the kids saw hard time. Finally the message got out "Don't play stupid with other peoples lives"
i'm sorry, but i dont' think school shootings happen everyday. Sure, bomb threats and threats to kill, threats of violence, finding weapons on kids are a regular trend, but an actual shooting happening? I don't think so.
I agree. There would be a very serious problems, if school shootings are the rule and happen on the daily basis.
Is anything known about the killer in this case, who it is?
I didn't know in Colorado it was a homeless who was the shooter. Usually, kids from the schools are the shooters. People, who shoot in this case must have some hatred towards the school, the students or teachers. You don't go into a school and shoot for no reason. I also don't believe the videogame theorie.
sounds like a copycat
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061002/...chool_shooting
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A 32-year-old milk truck driver took about a dozen girls hostage in a one-room Amish schoolhouse Monday, barricaded the doors with boards and killed at least three girls and apparently himself, authorities said.
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Roberts walked into the one-room West Nickel Mines Amish School with a shotgun and handgun, then released about 15 boys, a pregnant woman and three women with infants before barring the doors, Miller said.
The girls were lined up along a blackboard and their feet were bound, he said.
I don't think that anyone who shoots up a school just hates that school or the people there. I think these shooters are filled with hate in general. If you look at some of those diary entries by the Colombine kids, those kids just hated everything and everybody. That's why I find it hard to blame guns on any of this. People are going to die at the hands of these lunatics once they make up their mind to kill whether it be by gun, knife, bomb or whatever. I believe there was an incident in Scotland years ago where the guy stabbed over a dozen kindergarteners. If there is a will there is a way.
Granted, with guns you can kill more people much faster, and of course guns allow you to kill people at a distance and whoever is trying to run away. So it's a tricky situation, but I still don't believe getting rid of guns will help the underlying issue. There are just some sick people in the world and it's a serious problem. Another recent trend has been baby snatching, followed by killing the mother. Sometimes I just can't believe the crimes people are willing to commit, and it seems the law has no ability to deter certain people.
edit - after looking up that Scotland massacre that one was with guns. Oops, now I feel like an idiot. I thought there was a big school stabbing there, guess not?
Everyday == Bus accident.
FBI Stats
Approximately one-third of murder victims and almost half the offenders are under the age of 25.
Approximately 20,000 people are murdered each year in the US. Granted not all of them are school shootings with multiple victums. More school related (not on school property but having connection with the school) go unreported by the media.
Granted multiple shootings catch our eye's more but here are some interesting if not slightly dated stats on schools and crime.
In 1998, students ages 12 through 18 were victims of more than 2.7 million total crimes at school. In that same year, these students were victims of about 253,000 serious violent crimes at school (that is rape, sexual assault, robbery and aggravated assault). There were also 60 school- associated violent deaths in the United States between July 1, 1997 and June 30, 1998-including homicides (Kaufman et al., 2000).
Fifteen percent of violent crimes and almost nineteen percent of simple assaults occurred inside school buildings or on school property in 1999 (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2001).
School shootings don't happen every day. However school related shootings are more common then the general public is aware of. As they are not spectacular in the case of multiple on premis cases they recieve little to no attention by the media.
Fifty-seven percent of violent crimes committed by juveniles occur on school days, even though only about half of the days in a year are school days. In fact, 1 in 5 violent crimes committed by juveniles occur in the four hours after school (Sickmund, Snyder, & Poe-Yamagata, 1997).
I blame it all on Christian Slater and Heathers.
clearly we must get rid of these schools!
They can all be home schooled like LG 15
Oh wait she's fake. Home schooling must be fake too.
That is true for columbine and the killers were students. So it is reasonable they shoot where they are most of the day, but a homeless person or a milkman??? I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Visionray
That is an alarming number and clearly it's time to do something against that. One problem of course is, that a school is the best place for sexual crimes of minors, because they are all present at one convenient place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frets
Another problem is that a school is like a rat cage, away from home, where children can release all their stress.
And yes, in Germany there are also school related killings as well as in Japan (with knives, though). It is not a US problem, but a western society problem, assuming Japan has a similar society structure.
I think it is a human's used to be monkeys that liked to kill things problem. Most athropologists agreed that once two humans met that were not related they were more likely to kill one another than have tea.Quote:
Originally Posted by cancerinform
So we would not kill each other but rather have tea, because we are Flashkits. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar
Then how do you explain it does not happen in companies or the government or the Universities so easily? I don't take that as an argument.
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Originally Posted by cancerinform
It does, currently it's called the war on terrorism
Cancerinform... shootings do happen at universities, corporations, post offices, and what not. Just seems to be all hitting around the anniversary of Columbine.
...And I tell you I did not have sex with monica...Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
in other words, I don't believe anything here. ;)
Then enjoy your bliss.
Interesting how this thread doesn't focus on the victims and instead analyzes the causes of such an action. Which leads one to believe that school shootings are happening (or being reported, which ever you prefer) more frequently, with the previously displayed empathy for the victims being replaced by an analytical study of the event itself.
That said, I wonder what the Amish did to deserve this? Sure, their horse-drawn buggies kill traffic flow on Route 30 but that never warranted this type of action. In the UK they've still to release (or find out) what this loon meant by his getting revenge for something that happened 20 years ago.
Either that or the press is doing the unthinkable and are being sympathetic to the extremely private nature of Amish communities