i love how its all about how americans have gun problems, when it was some kid form south korea doing the shooting.
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i love how its all about how americans have gun problems, when it was some kid form south korea doing the shooting.
i think it's more about gun laws in america, than gun attitudes of american people.
although personally i'm not convinced it has much to do with that either.
who knows. there do seem to be a lot of gun crimes over there compared to elsewhere (not sure how much of that is down to media coverage- i haven't looked at stats)....
Rumor is that the guns were illegally required and illegal themselves as the serial numbers were filed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by carly1979
:thumbsup: to the open mind.Quote:
although personally i'm not convinced it has much to do with that either.
who knows. there do seem to be a lot of gun crimes over there compared to elsewhere (not sure how much of that is down to media coverage- i haven't looked at stats)....
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita
I don't know if this is correct though. (In another site, I found 0.056 per 1,000 people for USA)
something like this makes me what to carry a weapon more, in the event that im caught in the middle of a shooting rampage as least i can fire back at the murderer.
How many rounds must a weapon be able to hold?
In what situation would you need at 19 rounds in a clip to defend yourself?
Good question. Though what would be the response from the usual if someone asked for all guns sold to the public to only hold, say, 6 rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frets
Of course it does. But if everybody have guns, there will be more shootings. Imagine how situations, e.g. with mentally unstable or drunk people, could have been if they all had guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
how often do you think someone is going to pull a gun out in a crowd if they know everyone in the crowd will in turn pull a gun out on them?Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnusVS
id feel more safe personally.
So you're all for the old wild west huh? Yeah, settle arguments over a shoot out! Hang a man for stealing a horse!!Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
You'd probably like it here in Kenya, pretty common to lynch someone caught by the public trying to steal from someone.
I don't know.. nothing reasonable to be sure. But anything more than 9 rounds is illegal, unless it is old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frets
in practice oddly enough the opposite is true. In the u.s. areas with more liberal gun laws tend to have fewer crime victims.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnusVS
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...E/LionKing.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Frets
Not unless the black market is now giving out receipts: Killer's Note: 'You Caused Me to Do This'Quote:
Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar
Sounds like another flipped-out loner. Gun laws aside, sad sad day.Quote:
...Sources tell ABC News Cho bought his first gun, a Glock 9 millimeter handgun, on March 13; they say he bought his second weapon, a .22 caliber pistol, within the last week. The serial numbers on both guns had been filed off, they said.
Authorities found the receipt for the 9 millimeter handgun in Cho's backpack. They say the bag also contained two knives and additional ammunition for the two guns....
*sigh*
well they became illegal the second he filed the serial numbers off.
damn. right in my neck of the woods. we were scared enough when the damn sniper was taking shots at everybody.
Well, I don't think that people who are really drunk or mentally ill will necessarily consider that.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
I think that the amount of guns have something to say, but there must also be something more. Didn't M. Moore in "Bowling for Columbine" claim that it had something to do with the entire culture... that people were afraid?
Whatever it is, it's something. There aren't that many school shootings in other countries, and compared to other western countries, the US has way more homicides by guns per capita. Sad, but true.
http://www.texansforgunsafety.org/im...ions_graph.jpg
there is a documentary coming out about all the crap m.moore lied about, and all the facts he twisted in bowling for columbine/farenheit 9/11
if a drunk/mentally ill person has a gun, are you more or less likely to survive if you have a gun as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnusVS
I think it's sad that you apparently seem to think it is better to kill somebody with something other than a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnusVS
Silver, You wouldn't need a gun to defend yourself in the first place if he didn't have one.
what if you are a 90lb woman and he is a 250 lb guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by tidenburg
So your saying a 250 lb guy is going to try and fight/mug/assault you, I assume you mean fight because you mention his build, so if you were the woman to evade a hit you'd pull a gun to them?
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Originally Posted by tidenburg
if a crazy ass, violent story writing south korean kid can get two hand guns, anyone can.
i only mention that he is south korean, because law states they(legal aliens) need even more Id to purchase weapons they US born citizens.
my questions is, if someone has a gun, would you be safer with or without a gun of your own.
if you say without your out of your freaking mind.
And say a 90lb women is walking home from a bar and does get mugged, she better have some sort of weapon(gun/pepper spray/taser) otherwise shes going to be robbed, possibly kidnaped/raped/killed.
you would take the assault then?Quote:
Originally Posted by tidenburg
*for all your second amendment needs*
Just trying to keep the VT shooting thread a place for somber reflection - bring the fight here if you're so inclined.
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Originally Posted by japangreg
Bring it on. Joking. :D
I'm not opposed to gun in defense but you need to know that the person using it isn't going to go rampant with it. People need to understand that, like the law in Britain is equal force, if they threaten your life then you could kill them without getting to much of a hard time in court. However, with some people this is not the case, a large amount of people would, in clear conscious, take a gun to someone and shoot them for something very trivial.
BTW don't think I think the UK is all that great, although gun crime levels are extremely low the knife is a favorite over here, its just much harder to start something like what happened VT with a knife.
p.s. Lets keep it nice in here. No naughty words and taunts for me to commit suicide when I reach 70 years old like last time :P
Borrowed from the what if.
What if your a crazed killer?
Then you do need a clip that can hold 19 rounds.
I can see that individuals do at times need a weapon to defend themselves. I've never read of an incident where someone in self defense needed 19 rounds.
I have a feeling...my feeling is this recent shooting will have absolutely no impact on U.S. gun control laws. I have another feeling. My feeling is that people from other countries won't stop at trying to convince us to change our laws.
here we go round the merry go round, the merry go round the merry go round...
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Originally Posted by Frets
But there are plenty of times where people have needed 18 rounds. I agree 19 rounds is ridiculous.
Fine....go commit suicide at 65 now.
I can only recall one gun massacre in the UK which was in Scotland where a man went into a primary school and gunned down a whole class of 6-7 years olds and their teacher. Can't remember the name of it though...
I know what you mean Visionray but do you honestly believe that the gun laws shouldn't be changed even a little bit? Sure they shouldn't be banned completely because America is meant to be the "land of the free"
I prefer the family guy take of the second amendment is just badly written out and really means every American has the right to hang a pair of bear arms on their wall.
50 years later you will have forgotten ;)Quote:
Fine....go commit suicide at 65 now.
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Originally Posted by silverx2
I agree with you Silver, but it's very rare that a 90lb woman would be "packing heat" on a night out at a bar. More likely pepper spray.
Yeah, but you have to understand the time it was written. That was when the 'army' was just an armed militia. So then it made perfect sense. Now that there are semi-automatic weapons and automatic weapons that can kill hundreds in a mater of moments it doesn't make sense.
I NEVER FORGET!!! Wait....what day is it today?
Let me just say this, Gun Control Laws only take guns away from law abiding citizens, the one who should be allowed to protect themselves. There will never be a law that stops some retard, drunk, maniac or other non-lawful individual from getting their hands on a gun.
I submit to you Texas. The state of Texas has the most lax gun laws in the entire Union, but they also have the lowest gun related crime rate in the Union. Why...?
Would you walk into a liquor store, mini mart (even a school) waving a gun around knowing full well that Billy Bob has a canon strapped to his hip, Grandma has a .24 stuffed in her purse, and the shop keeper (teacher, students, etc.) is packing as well? I think you'd start considering other options for employment if you were a burglar...
For those of you who like to take things away from other people (this goes for you who do not live in MY country as well...) just remember that once the door has been opened to allow someone else's rights can be attacked, that only means that your rights will be attacked sooner or later. Pointing the finger now only leads to the finger being pointed at you further on down the road.
And besides, if someone can make it through the 500ft of yard and get to my house without me shooting them, they can have my guns.
angry bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frets
if you have ever come across a pissed off bear you would understand the need for 19 rounds.
true story.
to be honest i have no problem with waiting periods or background checks... i honest think they should be implemented. but that would not have prevented what happened at vt. Wouldn't stop alot of other crimes either as must guns used in crimes are illegally obtained.Quote:
Originally Posted by tidenburg
I know you write this to be smart and prove a fact for me (that non-US citizens kill more without guns probably), but you write that in such a stupid way, that I won't give you a direct reply on that. You know what i think.Quote:
Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar
My point is that I think that the more weapon, the more shooting, the more killing.
How often do most Americans encounter an angry bear on the lose?