that was a good filmQuote:
Originally posted by Sem
Maybe I've seen Wag the Dog too many times.
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that was a good filmQuote:
Originally posted by Sem
Maybe I've seen Wag the Dog too many times.
A :)
hmm... I dont think thats true, but thanx anywayQuote:
Originally posted by okiro
they said that it was just Civil War activity and wasn't really even related to todays events.Quote:
Originally posted by tiGRAN=-2001
Does anyone know where were the atacks in Afganistan??
what was the target?
k a few things all phones are down in New York i think im trying to call my cousin see if shes ok. (shes a flight stuordous and we wanna make sure she wasnt on any of the flights)
also i hope this doesnt lead to war seeing my cousin is an Army Ranger stationed in New York.
On another side i heard some crazy news about New Yorkers pulling islamic Taxi drivers outa there cabs and beating them. Liquar stores better watch out too there owned my mostly hindew muslims people like that. Cuz New Yorkers and many other Americans are pissed and are just looking for someone to take it out on.
i have just gotten up, i was posting here 5 hours ago.. i am still just as shocked by this as i was last night, it is absolutely devastating,
i have been watching the footage again this morning and new stuff from people's camcorders, it's just horrific. The worst thing is seeing all the pictures of people at the windows in the building before it collapsed, desperately trying to get help as the building burns and then folds.
i saw on the news that another building near the towers, a 47 storey building, was also leveled by this.
it's just awful.
Aria,
I'm leaning towards that second option. It's not out of the realm of possibility, and seems like it may have been an unfortunate neccessity. Perhaps the terrorist brought the plane down intentionally (being dogged by a military plane) or perhaps it was shot down... not sure. If I'm wrong, oh well. It just reminds me of a Pixies intro:
"I mean, they were so hush-husshhh... they were so.. *quiet* about it..."
It's the American media frenzy and their lack of coverage surrounding this plane (with potential evidence) that has me obsessed about the topic. If anyone here at Flashkit wants me to droning on about it, just tell me so -- I won't take it as a flame.
Sem.
if you look at news archives there are bombs in kabul every few days.Quote:
Originally posted by tiGRAN=-2001
hmm... I dont think thats true, but thanx anywayQuote:
Originally posted by okiro
they said that it was just Civil War activity and wasn't really even related to todays events.Quote:
Originally posted by tiGRAN=-2001
Does anyone know where were the atacks in Afganistan??
what was the target?
opposition groups in afghanistan might have thought it would be a good opportunity to strike, but i doubt that there is ant direct correlation.
It sounds like one of the two factions took advantage of the situation and launched an offensive while attention was diverted towards this incident.Quote:
Originally posted by aversion
if you look at news archives there are bombs in kabul every few days.Quote:
Originally posted by tiGRAN=-2001
hmm... I dont think thats true, but thanx anywayQuote:
Originally posted by okiro
they said that it was just Civil War activity and wasn't really even related to todays events.Quote:
Originally posted by tiGRAN=-2001
Does anyone know where were the atacks in Afganistan??
what was the target?
opposition groups in afghanistan might have thought it would be a good opportunity to strike, but i doubt that there is ant direct correlation.
Sem.
i think it will be revealed that a fight for control between terrorists and pilots brought that plane down.Quote:
Originally posted by Sem
Aria,
I'm leaning towards that second option. It's not out of the realm of possibility, and seems like it may have been an unfortunate neccessity. Perhaps the terrorist brought the plane down intentionally (being dogged by a military plane) or perhaps it was shot down... not sure. If I'm wrong, oh well. It just reminds me of a Pixies intro:
"I mean, they were so hush-husshhh... they were so.. *quiet* about it..."
It's the American media frenzy and their lack of coverage surrounding this plane (with potential evidence) that has me obsessed about the topic. If anyone here at Flashkit wants me to droning on about it, just tell me so -- I won't take it as a flame.
Sem.
there was a man in the bathroom on a mobile phone to a 911 operator through the whole hijacking.
i doubt that america would have shot down that plane, that's just a bit nuts. It's actually illegal under american law as well, even if it was going to smash into the white house they would not have been able to shoot it down, such an order to break the law would have had to come from very high up and there just wasn't time for that.
Quote:
Originally posted by Sem
Aria,
I'm leaning towards that second option. It's not out of the realm of possibility, and seems like it may have been an unfortunate neccessity. Perhaps the terrorist brought the plane down intentionally (being dogged by a military plane) or perhaps it was shot down... not sure. If I'm wrong, oh well. It just reminds me of a Pixies intro:
"I mean, they were so hush-husshhh... they were so.. *quiet* about it..."
It's the American media frenzy and their lack of coverage surrounding this plane (with potential evidence) that has me obsessed about the topic. If anyone here at Flashkit wants me to droning on about it, just tell me so -- I won't take it as a flame.
Sem.
I actually agree with you - i was looking for stories and reports on this earlier as the coverage on this plane wasnt particularly thorough
I find also interesting that the footage shown on ITV earlier this afternoon here of the US military plane shortly after Pentagon was hit hasnt been shown again and there was no follow up as to whether radio communication was ever established with that 'phantom' plane
If you do hear anything more on this keep me posted as well !
A :)
Well i guess you're right.Quote:
Originally posted by aversion
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if you look at news archives there are bombs in kabul every few days.
opposition groups in afghanistan might have thought it would be a good opportunity to strike, but i doubt that there is ant direct correlation.
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the military option was discussed early on the news today when correspondents were interviewing many officials over at Washington , following the report that a number of planes were hijacked and the FBI was looking into it ..Then at the sight of the US army plane cruising and amongst reports of a '4th' plane ,the question was popped and it was said that if radio communication fails , then they ll have to bring the plane down .Quote:
Originally posted by aversion
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i doubt that america would have shot down that plane, that's just a bit nuts. It's actually illegal under american law as well, even if it was going to smash into the white house they would not have been able to shoot it down, such an order to break the law would have had to come from very high up and there just wasn't time for that.
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I'm not sure that discussing a movie or actors is really appropriate on this thread at this time.
david p.
The current regiem over there is far from innocent- they are reaping what they sow in this case.Quote:
Originally posted by tiGRAN=-2001
Well i guess you're right. [/B]Quote:
Originally posted by aversion
QUOTE]
if you look at news archives there are bombs in kabul every few days.
opposition groups in afghanistan might have thought it would be a good opportunity to strike, but i doubt that there is ant direct correlation.
Aria,
Hate to keep drilling away, but I saw that footage as well and was also wondering. Also, why isn't anybody crawling all over the story of the man on the 911 call in the loo? Wouldn't the media be slavering over a potential eyewitness account, or at least mention it more than once (we all know they've mentioned everything else in exponential numbers)? Aversion -- your theory is very plausible, but the lack of conversation just seems shady. I don't know -- we'll have to see.
Sem.
CNN live coverage played it about 2:30-3:00. Most networks didn't cover it probably becuase the Pitsburgh plane didn't do devestating damage like the other 3 planes.Quote:
Originally posted by Sem
Aria,
Hate to keep drilling away, but I saw that footage as well and was also wondering. Also, why isn't anybody crawling all over the story of the man on the 911 call in the loo? Wouldn't the media be slavering over a potential eyewitness account, or at least mention it more than once (we all know they've mentioned everything else in exponential numbers)? Aversion -- your theory is very plausible, but the lack of conversation just seems shady. I don't know -- we'll have to see.
Sem.
i don't want to be rude, and i certainly don't want to flame you but this kind of .conspiracy theory' crap is just in bad taste right now.Quote:
Originally posted by Sem
Aria,
Hate to keep drilling away, but I saw that footage as well and was also wondering. Also, why isn't anybody crawling all over the story of the man on the 911 call in the loo? Wouldn't the media be slavering over a potential eyewitness account, or at least mention it more than once (we all know they've mentioned everything else in exponential numbers)? Aversion -- your theory is very plausible, but the lack of conversation just seems shady. I don't know -- we'll have to see.
Sem.
it really is.
this isn't a movie.
the beginning of many man many folding events to come
i heard on the news that it was Civil War activity. I don't think that news anchors lie that much while on TV.
no evidence or that either way yet.Quote:
Originally posted by unit24
the extreme possibility of this situation is that it was probably hi-jacked by former pilots, co-operating with the real pilots.
he survived the plane crash??? seems highly unlikely! everyone was killed! can anyone confirm that? i never saw that news report...Quote:
Originally posted by unit24
on cnn, there they found a guy alive who experienced the show. he looked okay, but seemingly inside, they hd no idea what was going on.
as for the guy on the cellphone, he only managed to tell the 911 operator that the plane had been hijacked before the signal was lost.
actually, the outer walls of the towers were the main load-bearing structure, not inner walls as in most buildings. when such a huge portion of the outer walls was destroyed, the building began to buckle. the heat from the fires also caused the steel to begin shifting, even affecting the inner load-bearing structure. also, when the second tower went down, it was readily evident that it was imploding, its own debris boring down the center of the tower and splitting it open.Quote:
Originally posted by unit24
the real thing is, the plane didn't hit the bulding in the center, so the best bet for it was to actually tip over and fall. however, there could have been a side attack or people going over to the other side. i believe that it was generally impossible for he north tower to topple over, since it has been hit only in the top, but due to the mass earthquake caused by all this, i don't think it's a problem. anyway, on with the science. draw a square with a diameter of 40 cm. then at precisely 35 cm draw a mark. that's where the plane hit the building. it also pierced the side and the explosion took care of eliminating top parts so that it was almost lke a nail, standing on a fine, wide point. so, in reality, even though gravity plays tricks with explosions, the top part should have at least shifted its weight to the side, but instead it sort of supported itself on the remaning wide point. i know, crazy talk, but imagine a stack of boxes. hit one with a knife piercing it through the side. the box isn't gonna fall over. but if you look carefully, you will notice that the top portion will topple over a bit. it's basically gravity.
the other, first, plane i don't think did any significant damage. from a sceintific point of view, it should've stayed the same.
the destruction is literally too much to comprehend.
Aversion, no offense taken (although the 'this isn't a movie' comment makes me feel as if I've been labeled a conspirist crank ;) ) -- it probably is in bad taste at the moment. It just bothered me so I though I would mention it. Perhaps analyzing these little details helps me deal with the underlying anxiety and dread I feel. If I've offended any of my fellow Flash-kitters, please accept my apologies.Quote:
Originally posted by aversion
i don't want to be rude, and i certainly don't want to flame you but this kind of .conspiracy theory' crap is just in bad taste right now.Quote:
Originally posted by Sem
Aria,
Hate to keep drilling away, but I saw that footage as well and was also wondering. Also, why isn't anybody crawling all over the story of the man on the 911 call in the loo? Wouldn't the media be slavering over a potential eyewitness account, or at least mention it more than once (we all know they've mentioned everything else in exponential numbers)? Aversion -- your theory is very plausible, but the lack of conversation just seems shady. I don't know -- we'll have to see.
Sem.
it really is.
this isn't a movie.
Sem.
[Edited by Sem on 09-11-2001 at 10:14 PM]