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The latest reports are comming in and more than 1 person was able to communicate while this was happening. The Plane that hit the Pentagon a woman, Barbara Olsen, was able to call her husband.
Aparently, at least on this flight, the Crew and Pilot were locked in the back. The terrorist were armed with Knives and Box Cutters. No references were made about which ethnic group they were- she refered to them as "Them".
Yeah the heat was the big problem, because the buildings were very strong and they could have survived if it wasn't for the fire. engineers said that it reached like a 1000 degrees FQuote:
...the heat from the fires also caused the steel to begin shifting, even affecting the inner load-bearing structure. also, when the second tower went down, it was readily evident that it was imploding, its own debris boring down the center of the tower and splitting it open.
the destruction is literally too much to comprehend.
it's hard to believe that some people are saying there must have been bombs in those buildings to bring them down. Like you say here i don't find it hard to believe that these towers fell down after being attacked like this, while the bottom parts would be relatively stable the parts above the explosions would just be hanging by a thread and it was just a matter of time and heat.Quote:
Originally posted by tiGRAN=-2001
Yeah the heat was the big problem, because the buildings were very strong and they could have survived if it wasn't for the fire. engineers said that it reached like a 1000 degrees F
for those who have fam in ny and need some info!
the help line is 8003310075
i dont know if they are more !
A suspected Bomb detected by a bomb sniffing Dog has just been found outside of Scott Airforce Base's, located near Saint Louis, Shilo Gate. The press has been asked to move 1,000 feet away from the Gate and the suspect is in custadoy.
wow
i saw it on cnn
it was really horrible
the people responsible should be
ashamed of themselves
it was just like a movie
those psychos need to be
exterminated. full stop
period for you americans
sick
PIC REMOVED
[Edited by Aria on 09-11-2001 at 10:38 PM]
Its not over yet :(Quote:
Originally posted by johnie
A suspected Bomb detected by a bomb sniffing Dog has just been found outside of Scott Airforce Base's, located near Saint Louis, Shilo Gate. The press has been asked to move 1,000 feet away from the Gate and the suspect is in custadoy.
this is just sick !
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i really don't think it's appropriate to post that here, please get rid of it for gods sake.Quote:
Originally posted by mr.b
sick
Aparently 3 people were able to call from the planes that were crashed-
2 Passangers and 1 Flight attendent. The reports seem to agree on many points.
1. The crews and passangers were all locked in the back.
2. They used Knives and Box Cutters. Often stabbing attendants.
3. The reports are now saying that the 3 Eye witness reports are saying that the hijakers were of Arabic descent.
The AP also points to several telephone records that seem to point to Bin Laudin as the culprit.
this is the beginning of the end!
it is in revelations!
all i wan tot say is that the us
this forum isnt the place for this outburst!
thanks /a
[Edited by Aria on 09-11-2001 at 10:48 PM]
i second the motion.Quote:
Originally posted by aversion
i really don't think it's appropriate to post that here, please get rid of it for gods sake.Quote:
Originally posted by mr.b
sick
I wound up underneath the WTC when the 1st plane hit...I wound up getting back into the PATH system (the subway between New York and New Jersey) and wound up on the Jersey waterfront...watching both WTC towers tumble to the ground. I had friends who were in the building....all escaped with their lives....unfortunately many didn't. I've listened to ambulances go by my apt. all day and all night...people are aimlessly wandering the streets...not being able to return to Manhattan, or their apartments have been destroyed.
It was so surreal to watch these buildings fall to the ground....if any of you have ever been to NYC, you understand the importance and the symbol that these buildings represent. The fact that they are not here anymore, that the city at this late hour is still burning....that there are scores of people. firemen, policemen trapped at this point....is just beyond words.....
It will be a long time before things around here return to some state of normalcy, although things will never be the same.
I know many may have personal feelings about this event, which is a complete tragedy, but the requests for war and retaliation will just worsen the problem. remember that this IS the direct result of retaliation.Quote:
Originally posted by kingcrew
edited by Aria
I completely support the idea of punishing the responsible, but involving countries, religions and/or race will create a warfare ping-pong game. just find the responsible and punish them.
an eye for an eye will leave the world blind...
[Edited by Aria on 09-11-2001 at 10:52 PM]
Probably already covered but for those that cant read thru the +450 posts:
Two airliners targeted for hijacking: United and American. Shows UNITED states of AMERICA. The date...9/11 or 911..an american standard for emergency. World Trade Center targeted a structure symbolizing capitalism ( free trade ). Pentagon attacked...US defense headquarters... to show the American people we are vulnerable. The forth plane was allegedly headed for the White House.
I was happy to hear President Bush say: ``We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them,''.
God Bless America.
Unconfirmed counts on rescue service worker casulities-
250 Firefighters including the NYC Fire chief and his deputy, 90 Police officers are MIA.
Confirmed casulties from the aircraft- 266 passangers and crew from the planes.
No estimates confirmed or unconfirmed on the number of casulties from the people working in the buildings.
- This is a huge travisty.
the building was designed this way for this very reason. The outerwalls are made as the main structure leaving the internal structure not as stable. In the case of an accident (9-11) the building will initialy resist impact, but if it is damaged the design causes it to implode rather than topple over onto nearby buildings. This was a very important design feature for any tall building in a crowded areaQuote:
Originally posted by jaredigital
actually, the outer walls of the towers were the main load-bearing structure, not inner walls as in most buildings. when such a huge portion of the outer walls was destroyed, the building began to buckle. the heat from the fires also caused the steel to begin shifting, even affecting the inner load-bearing structure. also, when the second tower went down, it was readily evident that it was imploding, its own debris boring down the center of the tower and splitting it open.
the destruction is literally too much to comprehend.
Quote:
Originally posted by Ekostudios
the building was designed this way for this very reason. The outerwalls are made as the main structure leaving the internal structure not as stable. In the case of an accident (9-11) the building will initialy resist impact, but if it is damaged the design causes it to implode rather than topple over onto nearby buildings. This was a very important design feature for any tall building in a crowded areaQuote:
Originally posted by jaredigital
actually, the outer walls of the towers were the main load-bearing structure, not inner walls as in most buildings. when such a huge portion of the outer walls was destroyed, the building began to buckle. the heat from the fires also caused the steel to begin shifting, even affecting the inner load-bearing structure. also, when the second tower went down, it was readily evident that it was imploding, its own debris boring down the center of the tower and splitting it open.
the destruction is literally too much to comprehend.
ACTUALLY, according to the building's architect the building held up great. The problem is that fire melts steel after about 2 hours ( according to the architect ) and if you noticed, it was close to two hours later that the buildings collapsed. Once the floors gave way your dealing with kenetic energy. Kenetic energy is what is used in taking down buildings intentionally. The explosives used only jumpstart the kenetic energy process.
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sorry man but it is just plain inappropriate right now and right here.
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a friend sent me this.
[Edited by david petley on 09-11-2001 at 11:11 PM]
True, I believe these go hand in hand. It did hold up great as I said, but when and if it does fall, it doesn't fall over, but straight down.Quote:
Originally posted by MajorTom
Quote:
Originally posted by Ekostudios
the building was designed this way for this very reason. The outerwalls are made as the main structure leaving the internal structure not as stable. In the case of an accident (9-11) the building will initialy resist impact, but if it is damaged the design causes it to implode rather than topple over onto nearby buildings. This was a very important design feature for any tall building in a crowded areaQuote:
Originally posted by jaredigital
actually, the outer walls of the towers were the main load-bearing structure, not inner walls as in most buildings. when such a huge portion of the outer walls was destroyed, the building began to buckle. the heat from the fires also caused the steel to begin shifting, even affecting the inner load-bearing structure. also, when the second tower went down, it was readily evident that it was imploding, its own debris boring down the center of the tower and splitting it open.
the destruction is literally too much to comprehend.
ACTUALLY, according to the building's architect the building held up great. The problem is that fire melts steel after about 2 hours ( according to the architect ) and if you noticed, it was close to two hours later that the buildings collapsed. Once the floors gave way your dealing with kenetic energy. Kenetic energy is what is used in taking down buildings intentionally. The explosives used only jumpstart the kenetic energy process.