Yes, you heard it right, Flashsucks
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Yes, you heard it right, Flashsucks
This isn't a cool site and I am not suprised by the content. Nothing new there, just people with so much time on their hands that they can spend most of their day talking about how something sucks rather than how good something is :rolleyes:
it'd be cool if they had a smooth site that blows people away. instead thay have some prefab setup from hotscripts. the logo is off the hook :smoov:
I just realized the last entry was in November of 2003. They don't seem to hate it enough to update
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You have to understand, like some people I work with, there are developers who think they're also designers (but have limited design skills). So, they tote the "minimalist" bag with them everywhere stating that web sites SHOULDN'T be expressive/artistic/flashy whatever ... it should all be about information.
Someone once said it's not form over function or function over form ... it's being good at both. Some sites may be easier to use (because there's nothing but text on them) but aren't something most people want to visit often ... others are very expressive and full of motion and art, but are horrible to use. Balance, like most things in life, is the key here.
In other words: the site mentioned here is a biased waste of time.
Ofcourse a site should first of all be usable - that's what it's there for. But much more than that it should create desire in the company, institute etc...
Even by creating ultra minimal designs you are still sending a message, and it's likely to be the wrong one. Don't get me wrong, I love clean, functional design but surely this can be woven with a nice theme, attractive colour scheme and pleasing aesthetic.
Think the one thing t remember is you cannot, not-communicate - so you may aswel get the right message across!
Flash Is The Savior Of Humanity!!!
the 1 huge problem with flash is that so many people are terrible at it and produce horrid looking sites that make the users feel nauseous. Unfortunately there is far more bad flash than good.
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Again, as when anyone makes this statement, (Not that I disagree) but can you give us an example of bad flash and an example of good flash?
BTW, there are a TON of bad html sites out there as well. Bad design is simply bad design.
I like flash as an effect/animation tool and not a tool to build entire websites in. To this date i haven`t liked one single website that is 100% flashbased. I much prefer hybrid sites which uses Flash only for effects/video/audio. I think this is the case for many, there are too many sites that uses flash as the only tool and gives a very terrible impression.
Yes but as unfair as it may be, people generalise flash's usage. I know people who absolutly hate it because of drawn out intros and how it's used in ads sometimes. They see that it's flash and think "flash sucks" and it stays. You won't hear that about html because that's manditory for websites and you won't hear anything like that about php or asp from end users because it's the content they care about. However, I also know people who really like flash because of the games they can play and some cool stuff it can do (these aren't designers or developers, just regular joes).Quote:
Originally Posted by villain2
So lemme get this straight ... you guys would say that rr.com/flash sucks?
As for the whole (only use flash for animation/video) argument, I've seen plenty of interfaces using xml loaded text and relational databases that make great stand alone sites.
So lemme get this straight ... advanceflash.com sucks?
I guess in the end it'll progress one way or another ... I can't imagine the web staying as boring and flat as it is now forever ... as progressive as the medium is, web design ironically remains stagnant and beholden to a set of "rules" and "notions" that are not necessarily true, while plenty of other industries have made giant leaps ahead.
Maybe we should look to moving forward instead of staying put? (and that doesn't mean ALL FLASH, but Flash is definately the best tool for making more interactive experiences, which is what a website actually is ... unless you think the web is a portable library where everything is microfiche ... I'm not digging that idea).
:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow Thats all I can :) otherwise I may b banned :)
My favorite part were the most recent comments. I think that says it all.
And apparently since November 2003 Flash ceased to suck! So there's good news for all of us! :)
No one said anything about the RR site. We were talking about general usage. As you know, RR is pretty unique and it'll probably be a while before another similar site is created. However ads, intros, and noisy buttons are very common, and often misused.Quote:
Originally Posted by villain2
I'm all for the progression of flash, and I don't think anyone here said it was falling off the face of the earth, but what does need to happen is a new standard in the quality of work that's put out there.
May you didn't, but someone else did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Shiro
I haven't seen a flash intro on anything besides a movie site in nearly a year, I think the word finally got out on that. I haven't used one since 2001. Noisy buttons are debatable, I think it depends on the type of noise as much as a rollover on a button depends on the type of rollover. Ads will be ads, there are plenty of non-flash ads that suck (actually, I've seen some pretty eyecatching flash ads lately that are better tha a blinking .gif).
My point is, sites like RR.com and FordVehicles.com (not to get too much on FI's jock, but hey, they do it the best) are the direction we should be going ... they've shown how flash can be used in a web environment. I agree that many of us, myself included, had a hard time crossing the bridge from Flash being a vector animation tool into a web site tool ... but it can be done, and has been done very well.
I doubt it'll be all that long until another site is created like that (I'm developing an intranet for my company on the same idea of isolated content boxes in flash, fed with xml and customizable through php, java, actionscript and sharedObjects). In reality, it actually gives you a more appealing site visually and a slightly easier to update content system (since the content is nearly all in xml and a simple php write form can be made to allow for very simple type-and-save updates).
Perhaps we should be looking in that direction than dismissing the whole medium because in the past it hasn't been used well 60% of the time.