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How many arab countries have Jews living in them?Quote:
It's very normal in the Arab countries, for both Muslims, Christians and Jews.
Just think, that part of your religion never would have happened if you'd settled a place like Northern Minnisota, or say, Siberia. Wonder how long 5 times a day prayer would last if you had to trudge through 4 feet of snow to get there.
Have muslims not portrayed other religions negatively in any publication?
As far as I know there is something called "Chichan" (Chechnia?) Look in the map.Quote:
Just think, that part of your religion never would have happened if you'd settled a place like Northern Minnisota, or say, Siberia. Wonder how long 5 times a day prayer would last if you had to trudge through 4 feet of snow to get there.
Hundreds of Muslims come each year from different parts of the world to learn Islam in AlAzhar here in Egypt. Some of them come from ex-russian countries, and do go back.
I don't recall any (especially no insults, mockeries of prophets). But if "some" did it would be wrong. As I said, respect for both sides should exist.Quote:
Have muslims not portrayed other religions negatively in any publication?
That wouldn't happen. The very same prophets, all but Muhammed (PBUH), are in the Bible as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by newhive
I didn't get that right, what do you mean?Quote:
That wouldn't happen. The very same prophets, all but Muhammed (PBUH), are in the Bible as well.
So, if "some" did though, the government of the country should apologize? For example, if someone in Iran publishes something mocking Judaism, the Iranian government should issue a public apology?Quote:
Originally Posted by newhive
What about the Iranian investigation into whether or not the holocaust happened? There are many people that find that offensive. Should Iran apologize to the Jews (and others that suffered) for that?
Jesus, Abraham, Moses among others... they're in the both the Bible and Qu'ran. However, Muhammed (PBUH) was the last prophet in the Qu'ran, but he's not in the Bible. I'm not too sure about Peter, Ezekiel, Mark, and the others, but I believe the twelve apostles are also in the Qu'ran too - I'm merely assuming here mainly because of so many similarities.Quote:
Originally Posted by newhive
Definitely.Quote:
So, if "some" did though, the government of the country should apologize? For example, if someone in Iran publishes something mocking Judaism, the Iranian government should issue a public apology?
"Investigating" the Holocost is NOT "Insulting" or "Mocking" or "Offencing".Quote:
What about the Iranian investigation into whether or not the holocaust happened? There are many people that find that offensive. Should Iran apologize to the Jews for that?
It's perfectly normal to question if a God exists for example, but what is not normal nor acceptable to insult who does beleive/not beleive a God exists just for that.
"Investigating" the Holocost is NOT A CRIME.
As you know there is an international law to condamn Anti-Semistic, that frightens the whole west, the whole world maybe, and there are very few who dare to say it's offensive, why?
I'll leave the answer.
Are you sure that investigating the holocaust isnt offensive or insulting to anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by newhive
Making a cartoon is also not a crime.
Im not sure I follow about the international law. I wasn't aware of an international law condemning anti-semitism. If thats what you mean?
Actually, in the US, hate crimes are much broader than just anti-semitism.
That's correct.Quote:
Jesus, Abraham, Moses among others... they're in the both the Bible and Qu'ran.
The full "known" prophets tree, for those who want to know it (Arabic pronounciation), prophets' names are clickable.
We Muslims beleive he (PBUH) is:Quote:
However, Muhammed (PBUH) was the last prophet in the Qu'ran, but he's not in the Bible.
http://www.muhammad.net/biblelp/
http://www.islamworld.net/Muhammad.in.Bible.html
Well the thread was getting too long so didn't wanna read all of it.
I'm a muslim and I'll just make a point here.
At the time of Prophet Muhammad, people used to mock him on his face, but he never did anything back. He just took it, and continued his work...
Hope anyone learns anything from that kinda attitude.....
Y'know, it's easy to resort to violence, build hype and make a lot of noise. People should try doing something that's difficult...and that's what the prophet chose to do.
Peace.
*no further comments*
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/punchline: Muslims should try following the prophet for a change...
true. but he said international. there may be some UN sanctioned anti-semitism laws. i didnt know that. but also, a hate crime is different than hate-speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
well said. i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by nizamm
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Are you sure that investigating the holocaust isnt offensive or insulting to anyone?
Making a cartoon is also not a crime.
They claimed (as far as I know) that (6 millions?) jews were burnt somewhere in Germany in the holocost, What was the number of jews in the whole world then?
I won't argue with that, because I have little information about it, but it doesn't mean or include "insulting" to me. It's just the same like you all investigating me about my opinions, or my religion (excluding those who actually insult), that 's not a crime.
I'm sorry it's called "the Global anti-Semitism Review Act" (passed by Congress)Quote:
Im not sure I follow about the international law. I wasn't aware of an international law condemning anti-semitism. If thats what you mean?
read more:
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/727/in2.htm
Im pretty sure that someone who survived concentration camps or had to grow up hearing second-hand stories about what kind of a person their father or grandfather was because they were killed in the holocaust would be offended by people questioning whether or not it happened. Thats the problem here. Who gets to decide what is officially insulting? Just because you dont think its insulting doesnt mean it isnt to someone else. Then, do we condone all behavior by anyone who feels insulted? If they arent offered an apology, what do we allow them to do? Its a slippery slope.Quote:
Originally Posted by newhive
The anti-semitism review act looks like its intention is to make clear that the US will not entertain new policy on the basis of anti-semitism.
Thats exactly what the problem is. Ethics is beeing able to see something from other peoples perspecitve and realising than what you think might not be the right thing. If you don't want to inslut someone then you are ethical, because you see something from their perspecitve. It is impossible to live a life without insulting people, but if you realise you have and appologise then that should be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by indivision
One of the biggest problems is that in the arabian world the state, religion, education and news is the same thing. If you have never been outside your little country then this is hard to understand. The laws of our countries are based on religion, that is, do not kill or insult and treat your friends like you want to be treated back. 150 years ago religion and law was the same here, but because we don't care about religion anymore, the laws and religion have drifted apart. That is also the major problem with muslims coming to our wester countries, because we tell them they can have whatever religion they want as long as they follow our laws, but that is like telling you that you can walk whereever you want as long as your head is at home.
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A Norwegian guy was attacked in Syria yesterday and he survived by claiming he was Swedish. The same guy spoke to the Syrian people on friday and after cheering and applauding him they returned to cursing Norway and Denmark
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I know...the mods should make my post a sticky ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by indivision
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Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
Palestine?
and yes, ther are muslims living in countries that have snow!!!!!123OMG Norway has snow, and muslims. As does Siberia.