[QUOTE=XU1][QUOTE=swampy]Quote:
Originally Posted by XU1
I tend not to read anything carefully, it helps to maintain my cantancerous disposition ;)
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[QUOTE=XU1][QUOTE=swampy]Quote:
Originally Posted by XU1
I tend not to read anything carefully, it helps to maintain my cantancerous disposition ;)
Yes,and Jesus spoke about the Holy Spirit many many times, not as a man but as an active force, that is why I find it strange that they apply a very simple scripture that refers to the Holy Spirit, to prove that Jesus spoke about Muhammad...it's not even technical, or spurious, it's a straight out missaplication.Quote:
Originally Posted by swampy
iTony
[QUOTE=swampy][QUOTE=XU1]Lol....you are a smart man...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by swampy
iTony
[QUOTE=swampy]not really. the previous regimes had certainly done so. if what you say is true, women would not be joining the work-force and going to school in Afghanistan and the people wouldn't bother to vote in Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU1
It was good hearing from you nizamm, it sounds like you truly understand your's is a religion of peace. I don't mean to sound condesceding when I say that, as I don't know alot about religion, but I believe all Judeo Christian religions and prophets taught and practiced peace and tolerance and the best way to pay respect to those prophets is to live that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by nizamm
[QUOTE=indivision]Whatever way you look at it we are invading sovereign states and killing people in their thousands to impose a belief system on peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by swampy
two words: Old Testament. It's all smiting and eye for eye, tooth for tooth.Quote:
Originally Posted by admedia
Peace falls to pieces in the hands of some clerics, priests, mullahs,etc - the so called Defenders of the faith... Men should rise above these people and use commonsense.Quote:
truly understand your's is a religion of peace
I agree with you admedia... Here again the Defenders turn Offenders and give a new dimension to things.Quote:
I believe all Judeo Christian religions and prophets taught and practiced peace and tolerance
I am no bible scholar, but I think there is more in there besides smiting and eye for an eye... while I know there are very violent stories I think the most important lessons that can be gleaned from it are lessons of living a moral and peaceful life through following Gods commandments.Quote:
Originally Posted by swampy
[QUOTE=swampy]a governing system is not a belief system. in my view, it hardly makes sense to call the replacement of an oppressive government an imposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by indivision
Yes, but that was only to Jews, what many people forget ( some conveniently...not you swampy ) is that All the laws of the Old Testament were only given to the Ancient Israelites, not to Christians, The Mosaic Laws were done away with ( according to the Christian Scriptures ) and Jesus instituted a new covenant not in written laws ( Like the Ten Commandaments), but in spiritual principles.Quote:
Originally Posted by swampy
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Originally Posted by newhive
There is plenty of good information online.Quote:
Finally, the Holocaust deniers are very selective in the sources they choose; other sources give very different figures for the Jewish population before and after the war. For example, the 1932 American Jewish yearbook estimate the total number of Jews in the world at 15,192,218, of whom 9,418,248 resided in Europe. However, the 1947 yearbook states: "Estimates of the world Jewish population have been assembled by the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (except for the United States and Canada) and are probably the most authentic available at the present time. The figures reveal that the total Jewish population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the Nazis of more than five and a half million European Jews. In Europe only an estimated 3,642,000 remain of the total Jewish pre-war population of approximately 9,740,000."
its staggering to read those numbers... every time.
the "Taef" thing is in Sunnah not in the Qur'an.Quote:
and therein lies the problem, many muslims take the Koran as the "one truth" without taking into consideration the Hadeeths or Sunnas.
Try reading more carefully, please.
erm, that was exactly my point I was AGREEING with you. sorry about that, I shall disagree with you in future if it makes you feel better.Quote:
Originally Posted by newhive
Yes, I believe the total number of people is around 11,000,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by indivision
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Neighboring Poland - The First Target: "All Poles will disappear from the world.... It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles." Heinrich Himmler
Just think it's always important to always point out the other 5 million non-jewish people that were also exterminated. This was not just a crime against Jews.Quote:
Of the 11 million people killed during the Holocaust, six million were Polish citizens. Three million were Polish Jews and another three million were Polish Christians and Catholics. Most of the remaining mortal victims were from other countries including Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Russia, Holland, France and even Germany.
who said so?Quote:
And if your holy book teaches that you should kill any one who blasphemes
I'm not trynig to impose anything to anybody, I just request to be treated as Human. Someone here talked about "I have the right to be insulted", who gave you that right? I don't want that right. Is it a "right"?Quote:
So what is an authority to you is not an authority to others, you cannot impose the standards and judgement of your personal beliefs on other people who dont share those convictions.
What's right to me is to fight back who ever fights me, if anyone insulted me I have the option of returning back or forgiving.
You understand it that way, good, you don't, your problem.
And don't try to tell thing I clarified earlier it's NOT Islamic, like killing, bombing, terrorism. I just talked about boycott.
True, but when someone holds a gun to a brain of another and shoot (without having any right to), the other one dies (meaning Allah takes his soul). And that's what bothers.Quote:
Yes, and God ( Allah) gives us life, and is the ONLY one who can take it away.
It does happen, you're just far to see it.Quote:
What..at five in the morning? I don't think so..
We do beleive he exists, and is the messenger from Allah to the prophets with revelation. Actually his the one I referred to as "Gebreel" earlier.Quote:
Muslims don't believe in the holy spirit. They believe in Allah.
Sorry I got that wrong.Quote:
erm, that was exactly my point I was AGREEING with you. sorry about that, I shall disagree with you in future if it makes you feel better.
the holy spirit is not equateable to Gebreel - It is part of the holy trinity, along with Jesus - the son of God and God. Christians (most notably catholics) believe that each are integral and worthy of worship.
This runs contrary to what the Koran teaches in that there is one god: Allah. Mohamed dispelled the notion of a son of God and a Holy spirity as a sign that other people "of the book" had lost their way.
So then as a Muslim, you condemn the actions of your Muslim brothers and leaders who do carry out and condone such actions in the name of your religion?Quote:
Originally Posted by newhive
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Originally Posted by admedia
The leader of my country is a devout christian, does that mean that the invasion of countries sanctioned by him is a direct reflection upon Christianity?