Gimme a nice piece of Veal topped with a seared slice of fois gras.....
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Gimme a nice piece of Veal topped with a seared slice of fois gras.....
no animal has rights, not even humans. we are all just bags of molecules, whirling around in loosely formed structures. everything is fair game, and all forces meet to form an outcome. some will abuse others, some will protect others. some will eat, and some will be eaten. all these things change the course, and none of them are right or wrong...they just ARE.
animals are not here for anything, other than to be factor in what comes next.
I understand that animals have the instinct to eat eachother and they have unique instincts to their species, but I never said they should deserve rights, never. I only mentioned it as the question that explains "Thats not the point!".
And I must admit, very well said Indivision... although... I don't believe in evolution or any kind of creation theory because number one, Human evolution can never be proved because they never found the missing link (They only made hoaxes for years, Lucy, and Java Man), and I also don't believe in any other form of evolution much because in the Bible it states again in Genesis:
"...And God saw that it was very good."
This means that there was no room needed for improvement, speaking in the fact of evolution... it was all that it needed to be.
And somehow Idivision, I don't believe that "Will to Power" theory at all... it does not make any logical sense, and there's the fact that its open interpretation... there's no real true version of it...
cermin just so you know, i hate you, and if you ever have a pet, and i find it im going to eat it.
Hmmm ... we are not yet on the end of times so it could be found. Besides, your rgument sounds quite easy to me. It is just as easy to say a religion is a hoax which lasts centuries. My conclusion: I don't vote for your proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cemrin
You have the right to believe what is written in the Bible. I have the right not to believe this. In my opinion there is a lot of proof that living creatures are developing (evolution) during time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cemrin
Can you name one example at least?
Well ... I have to think hard. In the old world this discussion is not as persistent as in the new world. I try to remember a few things and come up with:
On some Japanese islands there are monkeys who learned to throw seeds in the water amd then take out the cleaned, dustfree seeds.
I should have to search but some isolated birds, left on islands a few hundred years ago, have developed themselves to a littlebit different specie.
The average Dutchman is lots taller then a few hundred years ago. Especially the last decades there has been a enormous growth.
Some people are insensitive for this aids virus and investigation shows it is probably a left-over of the big diseases we had here in Europe during the middle ages, some people deveoped resistance.
Insects develop quickly: DDT killed them all when people started to use it, nowadays more insects are resistent.
The same goes for bacils and penicilline.
Well ... these are only things about nano evolution but then ... I believe in it more then in ancient words of wisdom ... One day mankind had to admit the earth is round, not flat.
Indeed, this is very minimal evolution.... but this is evolution through experience, not any major evolution from the start (In better words, the Beginning), or any point in between for that matter from any other genetic or some other kind of improvement.)
To SilverX2 ~
Why do you hate me? Just wondering...
I'm sure if you grow old enough (let assume some millions of years) you will see the macro results of evolution.
Which means: chew your bread well, drink your milk, consume lots of vegetables and don't eat loads of meat.
Hahahaha...Quote:
Originally Posted by silverx2
Cermin... its so boring and old discussing religion and politics on the internet... I suggest you go to some kind of god website to do stuff like that... We don't do things like that here in the coffee lounge :)
OK, I got ya on the "God" part, but hey, I don't see how discussing politics here in the CL is boring and old. since you guys talk about it all the time!
One thread about US Politics generally, and another one about Bush.... and yet yesterday I found another one..
I know what you mean, at least on the "religious" part of it, but I don't see why its a problem with political discussions here in the CL... I found lots of threads and posts on it...
i dislike you greatly, theres so many people in the world trying to change the way things are.
hippies, always talking about saving the earth, but are to lazy from smoking weed to doing anything.
im so sick of people *****ing and crying about animals. boohoo that animal had to die for you to eat it.. yeah well it was gonna die anyways. or its born and raised to be slaughted.. good i see no better way to get fresh meat then to grow it specificly for eating. im not gonna goto a slaughter house looking for a pet cow.
and those stupid people that complain about fur.... i bet those ****ers are not even organ donors.
if your going to give rights to dumb people might as well give rights to some animals. Not only do i believe that some animals are smarter than some people.... I think some animals serve a far greater role to society than some people.
I hate chickens.
Number one, SilverX, is that I don't really mind the slaughtering of animals... because thats what we depend on, I'm ok with that.... And I am not trying to change anyone.... this whole thread was put for the sake of opinion-sharing, not to start a war....
And you don't have to go overboard with it secondly! There are hundreds maybe thousands of animal activists and world activists who ARE NOT hippies...
And those people who cry about fur-traders, I bet some of them are organ donors... not everyone is the same... and not everyone does what you think they do...
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Alright, since we're getting on hot grounds here, I am requesting a thread closure... this thread is going to get nothing but nastier....
Once again, the whole reason I put up this thread is for people to openly share their opinions... not to jump at each other's throats...
Thanks, now I'm hungry...
* Goes off to make HUGE sangwich with lots of roast beef. *
you want opinions? start a thread about something relevent and funny, like who was the best clown ever.
Alright, Thanks....
I'm starting to think now that this was a little too serious to post... but hey, I just wanted to see what you guys think... thats all... thats the purpose of all my discussion topics here in the CL.
so you are using me for research?
people just need to stop worry about where there food is coming from and wory more about people in third world contries who dont have food at all.
more 'rights' = more lawyers = more baseless abstraction = coming of the apocalypse