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Other than that, is she hot?Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
Hell no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
Like I said, let's all hope it doesn't have to go that far. But for things like this, all we can really do is prepare for the worst, but hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by random25
I'd just as soon the US keep it's big mouth and pry nose out of this one, and quietly fly our globemasters full of material into Israeli airports after dark. Let someone else step up to the plate and mediate it, if they want to. Let them take the blame when it fails. And this time, let some arab nations reign in their dogs.
I think whether the US intervenes or not, it would still be blamed and condemned by people (specifically those who are against/for their intervention, depending on which way things swing). People will always have problems seeing things eye-to-eye, whether it be because of culture, race, upbringing, belief, religion, gender, and what have you.
The day that people finally start to see things on the same level, will be the day that things like war and poverty be put to an end.
Sadly, I don't see this happening in my lifetime. Partly due to what I see around me and in the news, mostly because I myself have my own set of prejudices that I can't always reign in. It's an ironic paradox, that the differences that give us our identities and make us unique, are the very things that are keeping us from making a better world.
Don't know about you but I learned a lot reading through this thread than I ever did in my history class. Then again, history class never did contained this topic.
Hopes for a settlement soon. Whenever that is.
Just watched Margeret Beckett handle a discussion of the Israeli Lebanon war in the House of Commons. If you've ever watched her, you know, she says it like it is. I like that. She pretty much put it on the line that GB is firmly behind Israel in this, and isn't shy about putting the blame firmly where it belongs.
One thing she said, that isn't being much talked about here is that the private homes in Southern Lebanon are being used by Hezzbolah to store weapons and munitions and even launch the rockets from. But where she concluded that these "civilians" are not "innocent" civilians, it's OK to bomb those houses. You won't hear that from our side of the pond. At least not in public. ;)
I didn't say not to deal with the root of the problem. Trouble is, you and various others think the root can be dealt with with force. A cursory glance at history and how terrorist/"freedom fighter" (not my view, just adding what some will view them as) organisations will show that the eventual solution required something far more complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
Though in many cases it took decades to finally work that out, though I would have thought us humans would have learnt from our previous mistakes. It appears not.
British strategist Professor Sir Michael Howard said in the aftermath of 9/11. "We have just got to hope that whatever retaliatory action the Bush Government undertakes to satisfy its own people for the twin towers does the least possible damage to the struggle against terrorism."
Unfortunately I see the same situation being repeated - the Israeli government doing what it is to satisfy its people to the detriment to the wider issue of terrorism. As history shows (if you care to study it) a successful campaign offers the society from which the terrorists are drawn a just political dispensation. Like it or not, as long as Israel continues to deny justice to the Palestinians, Hezbollah's actions will be deemed by many to possess more legitimacy than its own. Higher standards are expected from a sovereign state than a terrorist organisation.
Damn those UN observers, hiding Hezzbolah weapons and munitions in their bunker. How dare they?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
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Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer
Hey Amigo,
Again, I tell you i dont support terrorist organizations, I dont support weapons and I will never show courtesy for people who vote for war no matter what the reason behind. Israelis, Iranis, hizbullah.. i dont care.. people who promote war are miserable people and will be living in misery for long time.
And please, stop promoting crap stories about ancient times. This is all crap....come on.. its 2006, now people start to realize that much of their worshiped relegious stories and ancient miracles are mostly illusions.. mostly.. (no offense to anyone).
Skills used to control people:
Iran: We are the god chosen people to destroy Zionism (crap)
Israel: God gave us this promised land and we must defend it. (crap)
USA: war against terrorism, they will attack us (more crap)
Syria: Intelligence, these people cant even express themselves (---)
Lebanon: We are the most civilzed people in the middle east (crap)
USA, is working on a new middle east + Israeli goverment is the Genie + arabs rulers are busy managing thier own bank accounts= More people to die. (wether israelis or lebanese or whatever..)
We will never forget: The Israeli Invasion on Lebanon, July 2006
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Houssam El Zein
www.waronlebanon.net
Episode2: coming soon
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Originally Posted by houssam
You say all these things, but I feel like your site is just as much an act of war. All that it does is increase hostilities, and slanders Israel. Why not have a site dedicated to the memory of the lives lost on BOTH sides, placing equal blame on BOTH sides. The Lebanese people voted the Hezbollah into the places that they are at, and allowed them to get to the point where they are today (granted, we did the same thing with Bush).
Alty29 is right, but i think i know the answer to it... houssan is too obsessed with revenge, at this stage ( as usually ) people only see the horror that is around them, but they never think that the same horror could be on the other side too... A site dedicated to the momory of thoes who lost their lives on both sides would be great, but to achieve this first you should PUT ASIDE your hate and your personal feelings... Try to think about others too, otherwise this will never end...
*sigh* I have to agree with alty29 and wbwd, houssam. I mean, I don't like what's happening to Lebanon any more than you, and any loss of life from war is both pointless and horrible, but you have to admit, that your site is pretty subjective.
Try to look at the other side's perspective: Israel has always been surrounded by countries that want them exterminated, from Palestine, to Iran, to Syria. And they have gone beyond just wishes, to words, all the way to actions, spanning decades of fighting and loss. In their (Israel's) eyes, the only way for Israel to survive, is with a show of force, to show that they aren't weak, to insure their existence as a people, and as a nation.
Again, I don't condone war, nor am I taking sides. I just wanted to share.
To coin a cliché, "War is hell." Until some kind of mutual agreement or compromise can be reached that both sides are amenable to, the bloodshed and tears will continue, on BOTH sides. My heart and sympathy goes out to the victims, and my fervent prayers go to end the madness.
well said... :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by alty29
So does that mean you will also view each side equally, and condemn both for the conflict: Hezbollah for their initial attacks, Israel for the overwhelming scale of their retaliation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Adixx
I mean, if you're asking someone to do it from the Arab perspective surely you would want to do likewise? You would certainly have my respect if you did, since as you might perceive from Houssam's comments, it is very hard to be objective when your family, friends and neighbours are being blown up and killed.
Equally true from both sides, hence the continuing cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by wbwd
As I said before, the only positive I hope will come from this current escallation of violence is that finally the international community will come in with some real force and stop both sides from this tit for tat crap that's been going on for far too long.
But we'll see...
I think the international community would rather have Isreal take care of Hezbollah. Arabs, and a great many other folks, already hate isreal... and nobody likes seing their countrymen dead.
This is the kind of Israeli strike I don't think anyone can argue against. The video shows (reportedly) an Israeli attack on a Hezbollah katyusha rocket position, you can see it firing. The Hezbollah position looks to be along way from any built up area and it's unlikely the Israeli bomb killed any innocents.
Given the targets that are being attacked by the Israelis it's obvious they are just attempting to destroy Hezbollah and any position of value within the border zone, including all communications and logistics, and I honestly don't think they care that much about civilian casualties. Some 'positions' in built up areas have been pretty much carpet bombed, ensuring many casualties. One building that was destroyed killed 26 people... one Hezbollah member and 25 civilians, including 6 children. This seems to be an acceptable ratio.
Or military casualties either, they've bombed quite a few Lebanese army positions killing many soldiers (not to mention UN observers). Showing exactly how impotent the Lebanese government is all they say is that it's a fight between Hezbollah and Israel. Considering Israel is pounding the crap out of half their country... it's pathetic.
I don't blame the Israelis for wanting to destroy Hezbollah but I don't think they're making much headway, the rocket attacks continue unabated and as many militia members they kill the Israeli tactics will be creating twice as many new recruits. The conflict is fuelled by hatred.
No amount of warfare will bring any resolution to the area, there has to be a viable government in Lebanon and an end to all militia. Given the history, and the fact that Hamas in elected in Palestine, I don't see how that's possible.
OK, the root of the problem is with Hamas/Hezzbolah. And as we all know, they are shooting bundles of roses into Israel and sneaking across the border and kidnapping goats. So I agree, Isreal is over reacting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOriginalFlashDavo
If Lebanon is being bombed, it's because Lebanon is hosting terrorists. Just like Afganistan is. That is dealing with the root of the problem. Sooner or later, people everywhere are going to understand, that if they host or allow terrorists to operate from their land, their land is going to get bombed. That's pretty simple to figure out.
Now, I know all arabs would just as soon see Israel fall, and Israel doesn't want to fall, nor do the US, GB, and any number of other nations want to see them fall. Guess who is more powerful? That's not so hard to figure out is it? Might is right, always has been always will be. I'd say, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and most of the other arab nations in the area ought to be on their knees thanking allah that Isreal isn't run by the same kind of people that run their countries.
uhhh... hard one... But congrats, i love it, totaly agreed... :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer