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I posted this in newbie section but nobody replied so I'm trying here...
I was going to do an animation project and was wondering what input people here had.
Do you do all the drawing in flash, or do you draw in illustrator and import it in. I could see advantages to both. Illustrator seems like it can do more, but flash seems quite intuitive.
I can work okay in both, but based on any recommendations, I'm really going to master one of them (for drawing)
thanks in advance...
master in illustrator skills. i think you have more control over what u do, plus FlashCS3 have adapt to illus. drawing tools i believe, so it is the way to go.
I agree with Juju, illustrator is more powerful than flash.
If you are more at home working in it too, chances are that your work flow will be cleaner and faster.
Good luck man. Post some stills!
I concure; especially if you have flash and illustrator cs3. They have a much better integration than the previous versions. However, I think it's good to use both together. I do what I can in illustrator then import to flash and work out the image animation.
illustrator however still works with the never refreshed pathfinding mechanics where in flash you can cut and add merge shapes on the fly witout clicking on additional buttons.
Iīd say a matter of taste,- Illustrator is great for many technical and specific jobs but never surpasses imo. the flexibility and speed of flash. In flash I luckily have more than just the dumb pen tool. Even inkscape (openSource vector tool) has improved quick shape edit tools wich remind a little bit of the flash functionality.
I draw in Flash, because I draw very slow in Illustrator :p
I create in Flash. It's quicker and easier for me. I can create a 90 second piece in a couple of hours. If I had to switch back and forth between Flash and Illustrator, it would take days. I even use it for a lot of static vector creation, then export as ai.
It's just more intuitive for me to use Flash.
I use Illustrator, because it has much more power than Flash. It just has some useful features that Flash dosn't.
so does Flash in comparison to illustrator,- ist a matter of personal preference for each task.
Novice - Average Designer:
Skill set for this range isn't going to improve the quality of the design no matter which application is used as the design is often restricted by the skill level.
Average to Pro Designer:
Illustrator is always going to produce much better assets to be used in Flash that will look more professional then can ever be made in Flash unless the assets are just simple shapes and colours.
Simply put it depends on the designer and their skills and the complexity of the asset.
I could puke with such a statement,- mark that as your oppinionQuote:
Illustrator is always going to produce much better assets to be used in Flash that will look more professional then can ever be made in Flash unless the assets are just simple shapes and colours.
if there is one reason why I hate illustrator and their brave users its because they never really updated the way to work with vectors. The never improved pen tool and the inverted y- coordinate system is just one example (even inDesign does it the propper way). Freehand users are the same- never want to look at something else.
Just have a look at Xara, Inkscape or Corel Draw there are alot of things Illustrator could improve on esspecially on the shaped/ countour editing Flash already went a nice approach and with the realease of Version 9 it even features the same Pen tool as Illustrator.
and you can mark that as your 'opinion'Quote:
Originally Posted by renderhjs
maybe they never updated the work flow in Illustrator because.... it works.
Hence the reason its the industry standard vector tool.
;)
BTW: when i mentioned Illustrator it could of just as easily mean Xara, Inkscape or Corel Draw. I would fail any of my students if they turned a project in made soley in Flash and no assets were prepared properly before hand in a suitable application that was better suited.
well but actually such people who learned the classic line never would come up the idea to create vector graphics with flash at all because they underestimate it from the beginning.
I really dont like to do this but I guess Iīll show some vector graphics I did with just Flash, and I did choose flash mainly because of itīs fast workflow without the hassle of stupid path operations or masks to create complex shapes. Even the path tool needs imo. to many steps to adjust- flash it much faster there. This speed in workflow is for example 1 advantage imo. compared to most other Vector packages. Of course I do only work with Flash but Flash often is a underestimated powerfull vector tool that really has something all other software packages dont have.
the flash examples (most of them already a few years old):
http://www.renderhjs.net/renderhjs/r..._cover_001.jpg
http://www.renderhjs.net/renderhjs/r...yua_poster.jpg
http://www.renderhjs.net/renderhjs/r...ame_design.jpghttp://www.renderhjs.net/renderhjs/r.../het_wapen.jpg
http://www.renderhjs.net/renderhjs/r...s_logos_01.jpg
Nice renderhjs!
I assume you use a Wacom.
Please tell me what you use.
Guys! They are just tools! It's like the great "Mac" vs "PC" debate -- a real turn-off...(great work, renderhjs, by the way...)
in the past I did alot of vector stuff,- I even made several video tutorials that show my workflow in Flash- but I am not sure if I can find any of that videos anymore.
I dont use my tablet for that- itīs all mouse constructed. Even though Flash again has tablet support to draw dynamic shapes (not linear strokes as in Illustrator) itīs not accurate enough for most styles I work in that look very clean.
but back to the previous topic, wikipedia has a nice comparision of available vector packages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...aphics_editors
I am suprised that Illustrator is older as Freehand though Freehand was in the past the favor for many designers.
Inkscape the openSource package I mentioned before
http://www.inkscape.org
has some incredible effects and tools that canīt be archived with any of the other packages. Some nice features:
tile system:
http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots/...nux-tiles1.png
improved node edit (little bit similar to flash)
http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots/...3-nodeedit.png
hatching tool:
http://www.inkscape.org/screenshots/...engraving1.png
and lots of other nice things
Inkscape is imo. on windows a little bit slow at least the Directory dialogue on my system- but I recomend it to any designer that sometimes need some fancy designs if not just for the powerfull symetry and pattern tool it has.
Corel Draw
http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satelli.../1150981051301
is also a favourite package of mine- because it itīs more than just a simple vector package- it has DTP with professional print PDF export, a extendable interface, lots of robust smaler tools (barcode generator, awesome OCT & OCR tool, bitstream font manager) and if not the largest support for vector formats. If you are stuck with some formats you canīt open in any other tool corel will convert it somehow for you.
...And Corel Draw is very cheap esspecially if you buy not the newest version
Xara
http://www.xara.com/products/xtreme/?v=pro&t=
was the first package with fast anti- alias support and is still one of the fastest applications ever that masters very very big scenes with millions of vector shapes without even sweating.
Because of itīs speed boost artistic tools have been added in time and has great vector brushes, example:
http://www.xara.com/gallery/viewer_1...adimir&image=0
nice works render!!
but yeah as someone said it's an endless debate. no need to be 'hater' of anyone ;)
if its what you really want to here then ok... you win! Flash workflow rocks. :rolleyes:
That said:
really nice work but I seen your stuff posted before so I'm not totally surprised at your skill level. :)
Illustrator is indeed good but itīs not the only package a good designer should use. From my expierence the variety in tools makes the difference in quality from others- guess thatīs what I wanted to point out initially - and flash is imo a unique tool many people havenīt discovered actually as vector tool. So I hope that I wasnīt to harsh ;)
I agree that lots of flash vector art thatīs seen in many flash movies is utter crap (with black/ white gradients, times new roman fonts, ect.) and alot of people that work for example with illustrator generally put more effort in their work and partly because of that it just looks way better , if they choose it instead of flash to later import it in flash.
But my believe is that in general Illustrator is favoured is because Illustrator and Freehand offer such a classic education line these days (freehand by now perhaps less) because itīs been always in the heads of designers. Just like Quark Xpress in the past, thouhg Corel and Scribus did just the same.
hmmm....
I just use Flash and don't use Illustrator, so am I a novice to average user and never will be a pro until I use Illustrator? :p hehe...
For me, design is about your sense/taste for good design. If one is crap at design, no matter which software he/she use, it will be still crap.
Flash or Illustrator is just a tool to carry out your design.
some of my old drawings in flash, comments welcome. hehe
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs11/i/20...by_mclelun.jpg
http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs12/f/20...by_mclelun.jpg
kawaii
nice colors
flash artists are such showoffs :p
very nice works mclelun
that ramen raider looks so dumb he makes me laugh just by looking at him :D
though id like to point out that on his face there are 3 shades of green where as every thing else only has 2. if that's because his mask is made of reflective shell then his vespa, which made of metal, should have highlight shade as well. just to be consistant -- dont u think?