The United States is out of control

In Britain we have a fascist, liberal-bashing, hypocritical “newspaper” called The Daily Mail. Imagine Fox News, but printed, then sold to millions who believe it's the truth.

It spends most of it's time trying to convince you your next door neighbour is an illegal immigrant and is stealing all your money.

For one reason or another it turned its readers' attention to the US.

A million march to US Capitol to protest against 'Obama the socialist'

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Not going to beat about the bush, pretty much a bunch of white racists.

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So can you guys sort out a counter-protest to say what a great job he's doing? Come on, finally, you've elected a really great man who's going to bring a lot of good to your country, which around the world is loosing credit. If Daily Mail readers are getting wind of this, I can't even imagine what it's actually like over there.

You should probably find a better source of information to frame your opinions on the united states.

Sure there were some racists in the march, but to paint all as racists makes you look quite foolish.. and possibly racists yourself.

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So can you guys sort out a counter-protest to say what a great job he's doing?

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What has he done well as president?

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Come on, finally, you've elected a really great man who's going to bring a lot of good to your country, which around the world is loosing credit.

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what is great about Obama. I think the things he has achieved in his life and obstacles he has overcome are to be admired.. but great? No. not really.

Shockingly, I am going to agree with TGLC, albeit with a HUGE grain of salt. The 'great man' comment is fine, as long as you are not using it to describe his presidency so far. I don't feel he's done anything wrong, just hasn't really had the time to leave his mark on the Presidency to call it great yet. The way he's overcome adversity and racial issues in this country to become it's leader is nothing short of incredible. The Oval Office is the second game in the double header though.

He's got the same US and international appeal that JFK had. He is young and vibrant and he is a very good speaker who physically appeals to most people. JFK's Presidency was a bit of a wash before he was assassinated. His legend blew up after that. Obama's legacy needs a lot more in the books (other than being the first black President) to cement his place in history.

That being said, those buffoons with the Africa and Lion posters are good for nothing more than a good chuckle on a Wednesday morning. I love this country, but there are some real tools here.

Just some interesting points of view about the whole socialism thing: http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.c...alism-in-2009/

also I don't think Obama is some super great man but I do think its very important to recognize that "the fact is, on both the energy/climate legislation and health care legislation, only the Democrats are really playing. With a few notable exceptions, the Republican Party is standing, arms folded and saying 'no.' Many of them just want President Obama to fail. Such a waste. Mr. Obama is not a socialist; he’s a centrist. But if he’s forced to depend entirely on his own party to pass legislation, he will be whipsawed by its different factions." quotation thanks to Mr. Friedman.

Amateurs. Until we get some people on Uncle Ruckus level, they're amateurs.

Seriously though, it offends me in one sense... I hate it when people think that all Americans are like that.

in dc - no where near that many. Most accounts say at lost 70k. Some r-wing sources are saying 2 million

First up, was suppose to be a bit of a jokey thread, poking fun a the whole idea. But to the point...

gerbick Unfortunately when I chat to friends Americans seem to get labeled just as much as the French smell of garlic and the Germans are strict and efficient. But then you're going to find a wonderfully smelling French women and a lazy German sooner or later.

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Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

What has he done well as president?

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Well these things struck me as being quite good:
Halted the terror trials at Guantanamo Bay and signs an executive order that will close Guantanamo detention facility in one year
Frankly, responsible for one of the best websites ever www.whitehouse.gov
Plan to withdraw combat troops from Iraq by August 2010, the rest by December 2011
Start a campaign for the removable of nuclear arms
And start the debate for providing healthcare for all

Obama is quite a bit behind JFK so far.

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Originally Posted by asheep_uk

Halted the terror trials at Guantanamo Bay and signs an executive order that will close Guantanamo detention facility in one year

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when that actually happens.. I will give a nod to that

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Frankly, responsible for one of the best websites ever www.whitehouse.gov

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true.

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Plan to withdraw combat troops from Iraq by August 2010, the rest by December 2011

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that was planned before he was elected

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Start a campaign for the removable of nuclear arms
And start the debate for providing healthcare for all

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true.

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First up, was suppose to be a bit of a jokey thread...

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Oh, you must not be familiar with the Boondocks. Uncle Ruckus is a character on that show that despite being black, hates everything black and praises everything white. Perhaps one of the funniest plot devices since it's over-the-top.

In simpler terms, I was joking along.

Ah, no idea who on earth he is. Thought he might have been a previous Glenn Beck or somebody.

Good to know we're all joking. Apart from them possibly, comparing somebody to Hitler is a little harsh.

I'd rather not be compared to Bush more.

All presidents are hated due to many factors and among them is job performance, and it's not just America but all over the world. You may like your current president but others may dislike him/her. And vice versa. In US, if your president is conservative, liberals will try to nail him down, and so on... if the president is liberal, conservatives will be in the offensive. It's very unfortunate for Obama that he's black. Liberals will be pulling the race card everytime Obama is under attack. Imagine if Bush was black, people will be hating him because of his bad performance, but hardcore conservative will take it as a racism. When Bill Clinton was the president, liberals can't pull the race card because he was white when people were hating him.

This is just the beginning for Obama. More will come. Obama won't consider any attacks as racism, but others will, especially the liberals. I was just having a conversation with my cousin about what worst could happen if Obama is assassinated just like JFK, it will be a major racism issue. His name will even go down as national hero and will have his own holiday in the calendar. My cousin joked, "Good! let's have three more black president, that way we will have a week of holiday when they get shot.

that's funny, i was thinking the other way around. What if Obama was a republican?

but i think currently extremists (being religious, or racist) see it as best time for 'recruiting', going along with moderates, say what they wanna hear and slowly enforcing their agenda.

On one level, just more of the same side-taking that's gone on since time began. Aside from a few peak moments it's just been a bunch of one side telling the other that they're doing it wrong meanwhile nothing purely destructive took place and the nay sayers either took power or ate crow. Time went on.

As I've mentioned before, this vitriol is a new level. We're going beyond patriotic duty here. I don't really give a sh*t if you oppose social health care. I receive social health care as a military dependent and yes there are a few problems, but the average american has inconvenienced themselves purposely to a far greater scale than a two week wait for a FREE appointment and FREE medication. Ever seen a 'last hand on a car' contest? Anyone who says the minor inconvenience is below them is an elitist hypocrite. If you think it will bankrupt us and create old people flavored soylent green isles at 7-11, you don't know how to do math.

All of that is moot compared to the b*tch ass poor losers to overly invested in their own ideals to accept the fact that divided we fall. Scary is not irresponsible spending, near sighted borrowing and impromptu programs. Scary is the fact that a few lifestyle addicted half-hearted patriots who make it there sole purpose to drive a wedge down the very center of their own country as if the word American meant membership can influence enough pack-mentality momentum that it may be too late before those of us sane enough take time from leading responsible life's to repair the damage.

I visited the Lincoln memorial on 9/12 where only a handful basement dwellers and terminally gullible held wrinkled and torn pieces of card board displaying illegible nonsensical chunks of broken English. I found my self face to face with a young white male no older than 15 whose left over science project poster board mentioned something unabashedly wrong about the future of gun control. In a genuinely honest reflex, my eyes traveled quickly to his face where I bellowed as loud as I could. The poor kid looked too confused to even understand the "Apartment For Rent" sign he likely wielded on weekends right after the nascar race and before the start of WWE Raw.

If you subscribe to this adolescent behavior as a means to progress this country you should be investigated as a possible enemy combatant. It almost definable as high-treason.

Wait. Speaking out about issues is unpatriotic and adolescent. But, laughing in a 15 year olds face without telling them why and insulting them later on an internet forum is...?

Damaso
Really now.

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It's very unfortunate for Obama that he's black

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That in and of it self is a racist comment. He was neither elected for or in spite of the color of his skin. Americans elected him based on the content of his character. They deemed him the best person for the job from the field of candidates.
It's not about President Obama changing his skin. If this nation can't accept him as president then why did they elect him? Instead it is time for racists and hate baiters to accept what is and live in the current society.

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My cousin joked, "Good! let's have three more black president, that way we will have a week of holiday when they get shot.

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And how did you reply to that joke?
Did you think it was funny? Did you think your cousin was a racist? Do you understand that racism is more complex then simply hating all as group?
Do you think that instigating racism resolves anything? Do you think that shouting fire in a crowded theater is an acceptable form of free speech?

Meh. I feel as if most people are racist anyway. I'm willing to almost bet that everybody here has had a racist moment in their life against another group of individuals, even in the slightest, it's still there in most people.

To be overly sensitive to it, it's too tiring. Sometimes you just gotta let the idiots live... and hopefully die. Too bad they breed like roaches.

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Originally Posted by Frets

If this nation can't accept him as president then why did they elect him?

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Same question applies to Bush and the rest of the presidents. Bush was not elected once but twice. How about Chavez and Ahmadinejad? Not once but twice? Bill clinton? You got it.

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Originally Posted by Frets

Americans elected him (Obama) based on the content of his character. They deemed him the best person for the job from the field of candidates.

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Exactly. That's why he won against a white man. Obama is very intelligent, brilliant man with such a good charisma. When possitive comes to Obama, everyone is happy. When negative comes, guess what? "Racist! Racist! That's racist man." Obama is smart enough to play the poker game. Wearing the president's shoes, Obama will face all kinds of attacks towards him from people who disagree with his policy. However, black community, fellow liberals, and John carter will call such attack as racism. What if Obama was a conservative and he plans to add 500 thousand more troops in Iraq? Of course many people and the liberals won't be happy. Any attacks towards him will be considered by black community, republicans, and maybe George Bush as racism.

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Originally Posted by Frets

And how did you reply to that joke?

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All people makes racial jokes. From Asians, Russian, Indians, Middle Eastern to French to Mexicans, but when you hear the word "black", that's when the laughter ends.

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Originally Posted by Damaso

...but when you hear the word "black", that's when the laughter ends.

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Why do you say that?

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Originally Posted by gerbick

Why do you say that?

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The word itself is so sensitive to be part of a joke it can spark a racial debate.

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Originally Posted by Damaso

I was just having a conversation with my cousin about what worst could happen if Obama is assassinated just like JFK, it will be a major racism issue.

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I don't know what would frighten me more.. possible riots or joe biden.

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His name will even go down as national hero and will have his own holiday in the calendar. My cousin joked, "Good! let's have three more black president, that way we will have a week of holiday when they get shot.

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there are 5 days in a week.. your cousin needs an abacus.

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Originally Posted by gerbick

Meh. I feel as if most people are racist anyway. I'm willing to almost bet that everybody here has had a racist moment in their life against another group of individuals, even in the slightest, it's still there in most people.

To be overly sensitive to it, it's too tiring. Sometimes you just gotta let the idiots live... and hopefully die. Too bad they breed like roaches.

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I remember being racist, very faintly. But without evening knowing that I was. I must have been about 4 or 5 years old, late 80s early 90s. Berlin Wall kind of time. Back then I used to live in Surrey, a ‘jolly good show old boy’ county just outside of London and attended a public school in the British sense (private to Americans). It was a small school, with about 10 people in each class. Having never ventured further than France, being stuck in the country side and with Andy Peters not yet on TV, I had yet to encounter anybody who wasn't white. One day two African black kids arrived at our school. There really were the only two for miles around. They arrived mid-way through term, so you know what having the “new” kid is like. We were all very confused and the teacher explained to us that they were born in Britain, but their parents were from South Africa and their father had a job in London. Not wanting to live in a bustling city, they moved to the country.

I vaguely remember playing some sort of game which involved running around in a circle and holding hands, and here's the bit where you fall of your chair, I can remember being slightly afraid of holding hands with the new kid because his hand looked very odd to me.

It's oddly enough one of my oldest memories, probably due to its ridiculousness. Since then we moved into London and now I think it's almost fair to say that at least half of my friends are non-white British, not by birth.

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Originally Posted by Damaso

The word itself is so sensitive to be part of a joke it can spark a racial debate.

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I disagree. Dave Chappelle and Richard Pryor alone buck what you stated about jokes dying once the word black is uttered.

I'm not overly sensitive to thinly veiled or slight racism; however I do have an extreme issue with overt racism.

I can joke with the best, I know the stereotypes. I love the fact that I embody none of the stereotypes that idiotic people tend to hold unto yet I know of them. I think your assessment is a bit skewed.

To be honest, mine might be as well.

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Originally Posted by gerbick

I disagree. Dave Chappelle and Richard Pryor alone buck what you stated about jokes dying once the word black is uttered.

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is there a white successful comedian that has made black jokes... and lets pick one from the past decade or two? (kramer doesn't count, and not the giant white girl either)

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Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

is there a white successful comedian that has made black jokes... and lets pick one from the past decade or two? (kramer doesn't count, and not the giant white girl either)

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Besides George Carlin... you'd have to give me time.

Quite surprised you listed Kramer/Michael Richards.

Personal hero of yours?

Those were black jokes he told? Interesting.

And why doesn't lisa lampanelli count? Ralphie Mae?

^ Daniel Tosh.

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Originally Posted by FlashLackey

Wait. Speaking out about issues is unpatriotic and adolescent. But, laughing in a 15 year olds face without telling them why and insulting them later on an internet forum is...?

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That's a near sighted spin-worthy misinterpretation of my post. I defy anyone on this forum to highlight where I have stated a blanket disagreement with those who speak out about issues actually based in reality. I feel I made it quite clear that my disgust lies with desperate fear mongering unfounded allegations trumpeted by broadcasting companies who need to make payroll. Not to mention nonsensical personal attacks and insults repeated by mouth breathers. It is so far from patriotic that it borders terrorism.

As far as laughing, I'd laugh just as hard watching an old lady walk into sliding glass door. It's not my fault it's funny. Tell him why? Do you honestly think someone who chose to spend their day that way was open to opposition? Come off it... really.

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Originally Posted by gerbick

Meh. I feel as if most people are racist anyway. I'm willing to almost bet that everybody here has had a racist moment in their life against another group of individuals, even in the slightest, it's still there in most people.

To be overly sensitive to it, it's too tiring. Sometimes you just gotta let the idiots live... and hopefully die. Too bad they breed like roaches.

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Most all my racist moments lately are in response to treating someone of ethnicity with kindness. A smile and a hello towards the cashier almost always evokes a response as if I just spat on them. This just after the person in front of me who happened to share the same race gets treated like an old friend. I agree, everyone of us carries a least a little bias for what its worth. But when I cross the street to avoid a walking group of warning signs, the last thing I'm going to feel is guilty.

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Originally Posted by gerbick

Quite surprised you listed Kramer/Michael Richards.

Personal hero of yours?

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was the only white guy I could think of that hit racial stereotypes as hard as chapelle and others had... and well it was neither intentional nor did it work out to well for him.

My point was that in comedy some have felt that there have been two standards in terms of crossing racial boundaries in joking about stereotypes.

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Originally Posted by WannaBe_80z

Those were black jokes he told? Interesting.

And why doesn't lisa lampanelli count? Ralphie Mae?

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She isn't funny.

who is ralphie mae.. the little kid from a christmas story?

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Originally Posted by WannaBe_80z

Those were black jokes he told? Interesting.

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I dare you to point out an ethnic group he didn't touch. Perhaps the Inuit escaped his scope... perhaps.

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Originally Posted by jAQUAN

Most all my racist moments lately are in response to treating someone of ethnicity with kindness. A smile and a hello towards the cashier almost always evokes a response as if I just spat on them. This just after the person in front of me who happened to share the same race gets treated like an old friend. I agree, everyone of us carries a least a little bias for what its worth. But when I cross the street to avoid a walking group of warning signs, the last thing I'm going to feel is guilty.

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I don't blame you. I don't head into the middle of a clan rally either. Normally.

But I've done it. Thrice.

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Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

was the only white guy I could think of that hit racial stereotypes as hard as chapelle and others had... and well it was neither intentional nor did it work out to well for him.

My point was that in comedy some have felt that there have been two standards in terms of crossing racial boundaries in joking about stereotypes.

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That wasn't comedy. That was a man who had done stand-up before and just basically had a meltdown. As Paul Rodriguez stated "You have to be prepared for that kind of stuff..."

If you call that comedy, I'll seriously have to rethink how civil I remain with you.

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/...lphiemay_1.jpg

He's fat. Black people laugh at Peter Griffin too.

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Originally Posted by gerbick

That wasn't comedy. That was a man who had done stand-up before and just basically had a meltdown. As Paul Rodriguez stated "You have to be prepared for that kind of stuff..."

If you call that comedy, I'll seriously have to rethink how civil I remain with you.

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it wasn't comedy and that is my point.

I have heard individuals such as chapelle, martin lawrence etc etc. make jokes about white stereotypes. The only time I have heard a white comedian make jokes about black stereotypes (recently) is when they are flipping out or decide they want to kill their career.

I could be way wrong.. I really haven't listened to a stand up comedy show is quite some time. my frame of reference is really 90-05 or so.

tglc i sent you a link that id post here but theres to many f bombs.

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Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

it wasn't comedy and that is my point.

I have heard individuals such as chapelle, martin lawrence etc etc. make jokes about white stereotypes. The only time I have heard a white comedian make jokes about black stereotypes (recently) is when they are flipping out or decide they want to kill their career.

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Then they're not good comedians. But I've seen it done... I'll look around for more examples.

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Originally Posted by gerbick

Then they're not good comedians. But I've seen it done... I'll look around for more examples.

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I'll take your word for it.

I think it really is a matter of a comedian playing to his crowd. I think there was more sensitivity towards racial sensitivity in the 90s.

here is the thing about a white comedian making jokes about black sterotypes.. they need to be fearless. they need to not be afraid that the joke might come off as "rascist". 99% of white comedians cant do it. if people get upset about a joke about a sterotype, then they shouldnt be at a comedy show.

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Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

is there a white successful comedian that has made black jokes... and lets pick one from the past decade or two? (kramer doesn't count, and not the giant white girl either)

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http://comedians.comedycentral.com/d...---cannibalism
Does Lenny Bruce count?

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Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

I'll take your word for it.

I think it really is a matter of a comedian playing to his crowd. I think there was more sensitivity towards racial sensitivity in the 90s.

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We saw the 90's differently. Perhaps around the OJ Simpson verdict, it was "sensitive"... but hell, that knocked down more barriers than created. It was ok to joke about the murderous black man with the black rhyming lawyer. I swear even Pauly Shore had jokes about that.