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Thread: I can believe it ... Leisure Larry is BACK!

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    Smile

    Hi Flashers,

    Larry is now working as an ophthalmologist. :-)
    Click VD logo.
    Then, select CASES.
    Choose CASE 1. Acknowledge.
    Larry is standing there what your command.

    Enjoy!
    +JTN

    NOTE: under heavy development so expect a lot of bugs.

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    Select Training -> Training 1 instead.
    Again, its quite buggy.

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    Sorry I tryed the training and the cases and could not get it Ill try again.
    Mad_sci

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    It partly worked for me, until the Java/Javascript on your homepage crashed my browser... How is anyone supposed to read your web site if it keeps scrolling like that? The controls don't work in netscape at all.

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    yea I had the same prob with IE 5.0. It is heavy site. I would sugest if you do it in Flash from scratch.
    Mad_sci

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    oops...

    The site was tested with
    Win98: Opera 4.0, IE4 & NS4.05
    WinNT: Opera 4.01, NS6 Preview

    With Opera, auto-scroller does not work
    since it doesn't implement DHTML.
    However, the page is visible from top
    to bottom just like a normal HTML.

    With NS6, eventhough it implement
    DHTML the auto-scroller does not
    work either.

    Also, I'd like to add that neither Opera,
    IE nor Netscape rendering engine are the
    same, far from it.
    One pixel in a browser will turn out to
    be located at another place with different
    size inside another browser. Sum this up
    and we get an angry crowd with angry web
    developpers... until flash came.

    So you guys are right maybe its a better idea
    to use flash.

    The whole idea was to bring some animation and sound
    without using flash. Why? People with no flash player
    and who is visiting the first time will still be able
    to access it, at least the news page.

    Correction:
    The Cases link has now been fixed.
    The download links also.


    Regards,
    +JTN
    [Edited by +JTN on 08-08-2000 at 05:58 PM]

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    Ok I think I got the problem on your flash page you have an ActiveX control which my security does not allow to play. Most people use that kind of security so what it does ? seccond the Cases and Training did not run again is it because of the activeX ? Now the visual doctor logo is kind of blury I would sugest if you redo with photoshop this is a minor problem though. whish you luck if you need help just ask.
    Mad_sci

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    Three words..... "I HATE JAVA"....... The page would be just fine without the autoscroller... People aren't going to come back if it crashes their browser... I know I won't.

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    Lightbulb

    We had to rely on ActiveX/NS plugin in order to
    hide browser cursor

    1. For Windows, we must directly call an API function
    in order to modify/hide/show the cursor.
    The API is = USER32!ShowCursor (Ord266)
    Then, this same API refer to a low-level VXD/SYS
    function to grant us permission to modify the
    cursor. Since the handle pass was the one
    identifying the browser, only the current/subsequent
    browser will be affected.

    2. Or, we can use an already made ActiveX/Netscape
    plugin from third-party companies.

    - Quassia from Kummilli (free BUT without source)
    - Comet (oh my god! its patented...)
    It seems that no one has made a plugin for the Mac yet.

    3. Or, simply patch directly the Macromedia
    ActiveX/Netscape Flash player. But this
    will violated our license agreement with
    Macromedia.

    I've just installed IE5 on my Win98 computer
    and ALL OF A SUDDEN it crashed whenever I exit
    win98. I expect it to crash also inside my site
    with IE5 but it didn't.

    Still why does it crash on other computer?
    I don't know it yet.

    But, keep in mind that the tools/SDKs used
    came from nobody else than Microsoft and Netscape.
    These browsers always seem to crash.

    With Opera you can switch off animation,images,
    java, script error, cookies,referer,window popup,
    plugin very easily. That is why I prefer to use
    Opera instead. Small, fast & efficient.

    ActiveX security: our activeX is not signed why?
    1. You must buy a certificate approx. 250$US per year
    in order to get a signed the ActiveX.
    There is no reason for us to pay for a certificate
    because we give our activex source code away.
    Meaning,you know what is going on inside our
    activex code. Our site is not commercial far from it.
    Just imagine if I had to pay for each year, I would go
    bankrupt for sure. A simple click and we save ourselves
    250$US. In reality, this money can instead go to the
    homeless/hungry/streetchild/desintox/depressed people
    that really need our financial SECURITY & mental support.
    I know this sound weird but thats what I think.

    +JTN

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    Well here's what I think

    1) You say it only crashes one browser window... Well guess what... Netscape runs all browser windows off the same process, and when that process crashes, the whole thing goes down the drain.

    2) Why do you need to hide the cursor? Why breach security and call APIs for purely aesthetic reasons?

    3) I've seen MUCH more stable autoscrollers on other sites, ones that merely call the browser's scroll functions instead of trying to move the entire page. Why don't you look into one of those?

    4) You praise opera for being able to turn off Java/JavaScript... Well guess what... Netscape can do that too, and if you turn off JavaScript, your site is a blank page with ad frames on top.

    And I have no comments about ActiveX, since I despise IE...

    Though, despite the browser-unfriendly site, I have to admit the game itself looks terrific so far.

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    1) The current/"subsequent" browser process will be affected. Or, to be even clearer the parent/"child"
    process will be affected if it crashed.

    2) I know. You don't know how much time I tried to
    mentaly ignore the white cursor on top
    of those icons. God knows how much I tried...
    Unfortunately, i still cannot make it disappear.

    3) Like http://www.htmlguru.com

    4) Sure Netscape can do that. But, does it crash
    as much as Opera? I don't think so. Somehow Netscape
    manage to make browser even buggier than IE. Which
    in itself is an exploit.

    I'm working on to make it more Explorable/Netscapable/Operable.

    +JTN


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    Actually, ALL browser windows in that process are affected, no matter what order they were loaded in. Your page made the process itself crash, not just one child.

    And no, not like htmlguru. I don't remember where, but I've seen very simple non-graphical autoscrollers that work perfectly without large downloads or browser crashes. I think the HTMLguru guy needs to write a better site... I can't stand full-screen popups.

    As for Opera, I've never used it and I don't plan to. I've been testing out the preview releases of Netscape 6, and I'm extremely impressed.

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    When I mentionned 'only [...] affected' all I meant was the cursor would SHOW up OUTSIDE the browser window. That's all I meant by 'only [...] affected'. Probably I wasn't clear.



    [Edited by +JTN on 08-11-2000 at 01:26 AM]

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