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A few things Firestarter doesn't have:
- Actions (not even a simple 'Goto frame')
- Buttons, Sprites or Movie Clips
- Multiple selection and grouping
- Play/preview movie in the window
- Preview the movie frame-by-frame
- Zoom or scroll layout window
- Rotate/skew objects
- An ellipse tool that works! (that's not an ellipse)
- Import vector files.
- Configurable effects (you're stuck with the settings)
- Motion paths, keyframes and auto-tweening.
- Editable shapes of vector objects
- Editable fill transforms.
- Bezier tool, Pencil tool, Line tool.
- Colour transforms.
- Export filesize optimizations.
- Drag and drop panels (you're stuck with their UI)
- Grids, snap-to-grid an object alignment
- An outline tree view
- Line styles (no dotted, dashed etc)
- Text kerning and leading (i.e. spacing between letters)
- My favourite: No UNDO/REDO!
Please add missing Firestarter feature below...
Cheers, David.
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Originally posted by roger_onslow
But ... I don't think I saw any responses that have said anything like "I've tried lots of other programs like SWiSH, and Firestarter is the best of the bunch".
What did ya expect your in a swish forum. Your developing a top of the line program for under$50 U.S. and firestarter isn't even supported on flashkit. The program looks simple enough for people to use, just as people use swish, but I must agree that firestarter has been left in the dust and look like that they're trying to reproduce in their own image what swish has done.Almost the same way it looks like swish is trying to do what flash has done.The truth is they're all good ideas and you need a foundation to grow from and I think it's an excellent start.
Boo!! To all the playa hata's...lol
[Edited by Rykor on 06-01-2001 at 10:48 PM]
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Originally posted by Rykor What did ya expect your in a swish forum.
I wasn't talking about feedback here on the SWISH forum .. or even FlashKit.
I was talking about the user feedback comments at the download site on Download.com
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0...70-601-6118226
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Originally posted by David Michie
A few things Firestarter doesn't have:
- Actions (not even a simple 'Goto frame')
- Buttons, Sprites or Movie Clips
- Multiple selection and grouping
- Play/preview movie in the window
- Preview the movie frame-by-frame
- Zoom or scroll layout window
- Rotate/skew objects
- An ellipse tool that works! (that's not an ellipse)
- Import vector files.
- Configurable effects (you're stuck with the settings)
- Motion paths, keyframes and auto-tweening.
- Editable shapes of vector objects
- Editable fill transforms.
- Bezier tool, Pencil tool, Line tool.
- Colour transforms.
- Export filesize optimizations.
- Drag and drop panels (you're stuck with their UI)
- Grids, snap-to-grid an object alignment
- An outline tree view
- Line styles (no dotted, dashed etc)
- Text kerning and leading (i.e. spacing between letters)
- My favourite: No UNDO/REDO!
Please add missing Firestarter feature below...
My additions...
- Doesn't have scenes
- Doesn't have multi-line text (and so no centering etc)
- Doesn't have user-specified font size
- Doesn't have resizable or stretchable text
- Doesn't have radial gradient fill
- Doesn't have scalable images
- Doesn't have alpha (transparency) at design time
- Doesn't have convert text to shapes (so you can fill etc)
- Doesn't have shapes without borders
- Doesn't have filled triangles without border width>1
The more I look at it .. the less I see.
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Roger, Roger, we have an opening in our marketing dept. Need you immed. Lol. You don't have to sell us Roger, you only have to finish it and sell it to us. Lol.
By the way I looked at the programs, in the next year you are going to see a ton of stuff hit the market. Some will be good most will be crap but all will have something they really do well. That's how it works. I'd plunk down for mix-fx but they have a one machine limit and that just goes against my grain. For a Text Editor TextPad does the job for me. But then I use FrontPage a lot.
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Carpe Diem - Moderator
well, after i was told i should have a closer look before stating an opinon (crap) about this software, i thought it might require just that, and so did.
well, i do appreciate that somebody spent a lot of work and effort on this project, but that's about all i can give it credit to.
well, let's say i do create a piece or two, spent oodles of time and energy on it, but it turns out to be "crap", do you think my peers or clients will say...but he really worked hard at it???
'crap' - no, they'll tell me exactly what it deserves, -the grade of "crap". and if i don't watch out and do produce it again, i might as well consider career change no 28.
well, just to come to a conclusion of this thing, if you don't like the heat in the kitchen, you better get out of there pretty smart quickly.
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Senior Member
I haven't tried Firestarter but...
Competition is good!
It will keep the Swish Team on thier toes, developing newer and better features with each upgrade!
That's the basis if free enterpise folks....if only one person sold one product that one product would remain the same, and staganate.
Swish 2 gives Macromedia reason to keep imporroving Flash...Firestarter (and others that crop up) will give Swish a reason to keep improving Swish......and so it goes.............
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Moderator
SWiSH Forum
FlaX FX Forum
Self promotion
There is a difference between the owner of progX coming on to a comptetitors SUPPORT forum and selling his goods - and a fellow SWISH user informing other SWISH users of progX - at least in my opinion.
The first case is just a bit cheeky, if permission has not been sought. In the second case it is OK, and clearly David Mitchie agrees with this.
Please note that I, as a moderator, expanded the debate by including other programmes, like Flax, MIXFX, WildformSWFX, Koolmoves Moho and even Poser4! So that it would not be simply a SWISH _V_ Firestarter debate.
A wider debate is healthy.
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Communism showed what can be accomplished without debate. Besides when your the best at what you do, a little competition only makes you look better.
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Originally posted by Doug20
Communism showed what can be accomplished without debate. Besides when your the best at what you do, a little competition only makes you look better.
Ooops..we just lost the Communists user base...oh well they have plenty of other progs to go to. 
jofta
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You really think there are more than 3 communists that can afford Swish. Even if they do put their money together.
Hey Jofta, did you see my button yet? Looks pretty good for an old, never mind.
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Originally posted by Doug20
You really think there are more than 3 communists that can afford Swish. Even if they do put their money together.
Hey Jofta, did you see my button yet? Looks pretty good for an old, never mind.
Hey Doug The Beauty & the Brains has taken over the Mainframe today...have not had a chance yet...maybe if I do the dishes, mow the lawn ...you know..
Will get it as soon as I can.
Regards
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well what was the conclusion a new software?
roger did u note the differences , well can u do that for us in the upcoming version (the feature which r left) its like been waiting for more than 6 months y dont giv u more time to produce the best
db
******
can u add 3DFx and streaming feature to the upcoming ver.
******
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Originally posted by roger_onslow
Originally posted by David Michie
A few things Firestarter doesn't have:
- Actions (not even a simple 'Goto frame')
- Buttons, Sprites or Movie Clips
- Multiple selection and grouping
- Play/preview movie in the window
- Preview the movie frame-by-frame
- Zoom or scroll layout window
- Rotate/skew objects
- An ellipse tool that works! (that's not an ellipse)
- Import vector files.
- Configurable effects (you're stuck with the settings)
- Motion paths, keyframes and auto-tweening.
- Editable shapes of vector objects
- Editable fill transforms.
- Bezier tool, Pencil tool, Line tool.
- Colour transforms.
- Export filesize optimizations.
- Drag and drop panels (you're stuck with their UI)
- Grids, snap-to-grid an object alignment
- An outline tree view
- Line styles (no dotted, dashed etc)
- Text kerning and leading (i.e. spacing between letters)
- My favourite: No UNDO/REDO!
Please add missing Firestarter feature below...
My additions...
- Doesn't have scenes
- Doesn't have multi-line text (and so no centering etc)
- Doesn't have user-specified font size
- Doesn't have resizable or stretchable text
- Doesn't have radial gradient fill
- Doesn't have scalable images
- Doesn't have alpha (transparency) at design time
- Doesn't have convert text to shapes (so you can fill etc)
- Doesn't have shapes without borders
- Doesn't have filled triangles without border width>1
The more I look at it .. the less I see.
Yes but it has one thing that Swish 2 does not. You can actually use it to export movies. That one little option makes it more valuable than Swish 2 will ever be without export. All those options that Swish has are absolutely useless without export.
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Senior Member
Ummmmmmm......you will be able to export when Swish2 is actually finished and ready for relase. Of you are using V2 now you are using a *beta* version...meaning it's in the user testing phase of developement.
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hmmmmmm , even i think u r usin beta
yes for sure , man this has been discussed here millions of times that v2 is still under heavy testing and will take time to launch with lesser flaws.y dont a senior member like u cant understand it , as it is the most discussed issue here . well bub hav to wait for the launch . and yes there is a expected beta launch with a export feature , i heard it here in some past post.
swish rockz
db
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Originally posted by Sapphire Design
Ummmmmmm......you will be able to export when Swish2 is actually finished and ready for relase. Of you are using V2 now you are using a *beta* version...meaning it's in the user testing phase of developement.
I am very well aware we will be able to export...I have used every Alpha and ever Beta and have been with the group a long time. That doesn't do me any good right now though does it? That was my point.
I just glanced at Firestarter the other day but I just looked at it again and it has some cool features like built in FTP,Image manipulation (bitmaps), Image trasnsparency for bitmaps!! cool! never saw that before. Automatic preloader message, sound library with a little sound studio to manipulate sounds. It has an overall friendly and good feel to it. It has an obvious lack of actions though...what does it have? "Add a link" whoo hoo big deal!
I would probably use this program much more than I have used Koolmoves or Insane Flash animator or any of the others. Will it compare to Swish 2 when Swish 2 exports? No!
Swish 2 will not export yet though.
I am a diehard Swisher so I doubt I will even buy it.
[Edited by Xcel on 06-02-2001 at 04:23 PM]
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
Originally posted by Ivanopulo
josephp,
probably David Petley took your thread as a self promotion, and advertisement for your program. That IS a no-no here at FK.
Also, you never know. Maybe he didn't see THIS thread ,yet.
LOL
sure did,
and you are exactly right, self-promotion is frowned upon in FK forums.
If coffee cup had posted here about this software, I would have closed this one by now.
Sergei,
it is always nice to see you back on the board.
david p.
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