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    I'm not saying there aren't a lot of people using Mac for creative work .. maybe a majority, I personally don't know and haven't seen the figures and haven't quoted any statistics .. I'm not saying there wouldn't be a market for a Mac version of SWISH (now that it has grown up a lot since v1).

    What I AM saying is that we feel that porting SWISH to the Mac platform (taking into account the time it would take, including the fact that putting development into a Mac port would take resources AWAY from SWiSH development as a whole, and any other product development) cannot be justified at this time. Your opinion may be different, but you are not the one who has to allocate development resources and keep swishzone alive .. it really does come down to what our company's management feel is the best decision.

    I'm sorry that, as a Mac use, you feel left out. Unfortunately (of maybe it is really fortunately, depending on your point of view) SWiSHzone is not a multi-million dollar company with hundreds of employees like Adobe or Macromedia .. we cannot do everything at once.

    But you (Mac users) are certainly not forgotten .. we aren't anti-Mac.

    If you want to take this further, then please contact Hugh at SWiSHzone .. you may even convince him to start on a Mac port!! But we're not really achieveing anything by discussing it further here. At the moment it is just a fact of life that there is no Mac version of SWiSH. No amount of quoting statitics or capitilising the word 'CREATIVE' will change that

    PS: Its not Mac's that are creative .. it is people
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    Roger:

    After waiting months! and having the web board saying. V3 is comming out and needing a more advance program then V2 ( I need some sort of data base and action scripting)

    I am forced to spend more than 400.00 bucks for Flash MX, I would rather have given Swish the bucks because I always loved the product and I really did not want to learn a new software program. But it seems the development of the V3 may NEVER get done.

    I check this web board every day for some sort of news, Please do not take this mean spirted! I am just saying that your product is a great product giving what it can do, I would loved to seen the new version! but I just can not keep waiting! with no news about if or when it may be ready...

    Marsman

    P.S. Do you realize this post started over a year ago! that is what I am talking about...
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    Hi,

    I'm a newbie so my remark is probably already posted though I don't think it was listed in this thread. (I read all the lists.)

    When I insert an effect on a text the only option I have is number of frames. Sure would be nice if I could put the numbers of the frames in. 330 - 350. Makes synching a lot easier.

    Also, I did not see a "goto" feature. I have to slide all over the timeline to finetune effects. I would like to click on the object in the left of the timeline, right click and see a goto box so i can go to a particular frame.

    Hope these features are already there, maybe I just don't know how to find them.

    Thanks,
    Mark

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    You select the frame where you want the effect to go then insert it .. so number of frames is fine. It will be a little easier in next build.

    So for your other request, you'd like to be able to (say) press a key sequence orselect from a menu and get a little edit box where you can type in a frame number and the timeline will ensur ethat frame number is visible and select the frame you nominate. Yes? I'll see what I can do.
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    I haven't seen this request yet, so I'll throw it out there:

    Will it be possible for SWiSH to ship with the standalone Flash Player?

    I see a lot of requests for making projectors, but so far I have not been able to find a way to install the standalone without installing Flash. (And I have a headache from running all through the Macromedia site)

    Oh, and feel free to take as much time as you need to make V3 as user-friendly and bug-free as V2. We'll wait...
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    Creating projectors in SWISH has been a little tricky and involved .. it should be easier in next version.
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    Forms

    Still no firm conformation on creating form's in the new version, would really like to know if this is in our out.

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    Your Answers to NEW version 2.1 are many would you suggest a different
    Flash Editor and what would it be?

    I Just Downloaded Free trial 2.1 Built date 2003.03.03

    Do I Need any FIX'S

    Where is best Tutorial ( URL)

    Thanks for Help


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    Hello, Success and Welcome to the Boards!

    Swish is not patched - only new builds are released. You have the newest build.

    There are tutorials everywhere. A good list of sites can be found on Swishzone.com on the Community/User Sites page.

    Also, this thread is for suggestions for the next version of SWiSH, requested by the design team. Your post would be more appropriate as a new thread.

    Again, Welcome! You'll find the SWiSH community is very helpful.

    Happy Swishing!
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    Thanks for the Input Dead Rabbit!!


    Which one of these threads do you suggest?

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    I may not have been elequent enough in my first request. Currently to add an effect, you have to go through the timeline -find the frame - then insert the effect- put in the number of frames for the length of the effect. Why not click on object, insert effect, then a window/menu allows you to put in the frame numbers where you want the effect (example: frame numbers 310-350) to take place. That way I can map out the sequencing of effects (with pen and paper ) and then just put in the frame numbers that the effects take place.

    I really like enteriing the xy coordinates of objects in the transform panel. Placing effects and actions in frames could be as easy.

    Thanks for the respone to the second request.

    Mark

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    new version

    Still no firm conformation on creating form's in the new version, would really like to know if this is in our out.

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    long list, eh?

    Well, I'm not going to go through the WHOLE list of suggestions. The few I had in mind have mainly been covered from what I've seen, except:

    1. autosave

    Yeah, I'm a goob.
    I'll try to remember to save more often, but SWiSH likes to develop "serious errors" when I haven't saved for a while.

    Oh, and

    2."Can't find 'test' sprite." (Hit OK or cancel) "Nope, I still can't find 'test' sprite. (Hit OK or cancel) "Still can't find it. The only way you'll get back to work is if you CTL+ALT+DEL me!" (Hit CTL+ALT+DEL, end task, then ask myself 'When was the last time I saved it?')

    That's all. Sorry if they've already been covered.

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    Roger....

    My dislikes have ALL already been mentined...

    My wishes take a very different direction than most....I have been using this incredible program for video effects...character generation, motion graphics, etc. I build my movie, export to avi and use in Vegas Video.

    The main problem I have experienced, but have overcome is pixel aspect ratio...Computer graphics are square, televison is not. In order for a circle to stay a circle instead of an oval, the movie dimension must be set to (NTSC) 720 x 534

    So, here's MY wish list....
    1. Ability to export movie as avi with alpha channel

    2. A VIDEO project window that would allow settings for NTSC DV,
    i.e. dimensions that would reflect 4:3 aspect ration of 720x480,
    29.97 fps, field order and pixel aspect ratio

    3. A Video time line setting that would be accurate for digital video
    (duration of my movies are now "best guess")

    4. A MUCH EASIER way to add outlines, drop shadows to text

    I realize, of course, that my "few" wishes are big time requests...BUT...if the aforementioned could be accomplished, the market for your product would expand beyond belief. There is a HUGE demand for a simple, inexpensive video directed product that would perform in the manner I "wish" for...

    PS: There's a LOT more video related stuff I could mention, but I figure if you decide to pursue this avenue, you'll probably wind up developing an entirely different product and will do your own research for the needed features...

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    Thanks for the chance to input on future versions of Swish. I almost didn't post anything as I think my list redundant, however I decided to since you may be looking for wishes popping up again and again. So, that having been said, here is my list.

    My top ten list looks like this;
    Not in any specific order.

    1)Shape Tweening
    2)More adaptable drawing tools; i.e.
    a) rounded corners on squares
    b) fill option after drawing,
    c) custom shapes-star, arrow, etc.
    eraser, cloning, etc.
    3) Simple Scripting, if, then, else, etc.
    4) Importing video
    5) Built In Scroll Bars
    6) Keyboard Input for forms, etc.
    7) Better text formatting.
    Word wrap would be awesome, also it would be nice to be able to changethe font or bold/italic for a single word within a paragraph.
    8) The ability to change the alpha settings with the fade in effect. Incidentally this I use the place effect for this now. If the select attributes for the place effect dissappears it would be most useful to have that ability on the fade in effect.
    9) I would like it if items on the toolbar did not automatically de-select after use and default to the selction arrow.
    10) When adding an effect allow the user to select the number of frames over which the effect should occur unless this the effect needs a specific number like typewriter, etc.

    It would be my dream to not use flash at all These modifications would probably make that a reality.
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    Originally posted by geekmedic
    1)Shape Tweening
    2)More adaptable drawing tools; i.e.
    a) rounded corners on squares
    b) fill option after drawing,
    c) custom shapes-star, arrow, etc.
    eraser, cloning, etc.
    3) Simple Scripting, if, then, else, etc.
    4) Importing video
    5) Built In Scroll Bars
    6) Keyboard Input for forms, etc.
    7) Better text formatting.
    Word wrap would be awesome, also it would be nice to be able to changethe font or bold/italic for a single word within a paragraph.
    8) The ability to change the alpha settings with the fade in effect. Incidentally this I use the place effect for this now. If the select attributes for the place effect dissappears it would be most useful to have that ability on the fade in effect.
    9) I would like it if items on the toolbar did not automatically de-select after use and default to the selction arrow.
    10) When adding an effect allow the user to select the number of frames over which the effect should occur unless this the effect needs a specific number like typewriter, etc.
    While Roger has given us some hints about the next version, and we have heard that [3] will be there and [1] is not going to be there, and many others have been discussed, there are a few items on your list that are already in Swish 2:

    2a - see the tip in the lower left corner when you start a rectangle
    2b - select the shape after drawing and change the fill color etc.
    2c - sort of - using the reshape tool and adding anchors to simple shapes and reshaping the results (more built-in primitives would be nice)
    8 - use move or transform - I almost never use fade-in/out anymore
    10 - can do this in the effect panel now

    Cheers,

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    Thanks for the tips Flick. I will try those techniques. My point on number 10 was not that the effect panel doesn't let you change the number of frames, but that by default it assigns a number to the effect and shifts the timeline to the right. So if I add a transform in the middle of a timeline I get a 20 frame shift to the right when maybe I only wanted 5, then I have to go back and shift everything back to the left. I thought it would be more convienient if the effect panel opened and you assigned a number of frames and then when you close the panel it applyed the change to the timeline. In truth we're just talking about streamlining here, but that's what updated are about huh?
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    I wish you could come up with a better method for unlocking the product. For those of us without an Internet connection it gets to be a bit of a pain having to use someone else's connection every time we need to reinstall after a system failure. I installed a new hard drive last Monday (with the usual hangups) and am at my sister's house across town typing this now. I just got done generating a new site key since the product generates a different site code every time you install it. It's the only software I've ever owned where I had to dial-on to the Internet every time I installed it.

    Not a big complaint really. Just a mild irratation.

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    Originally posted by geekmedic

    1)Shape Tweening
    maybe later
    2)More adaptable drawing tools; i.e.
    a) rounded corners on squares
    already in V2 .. but easier in next release
    b) fill option after drawing,
    can already chagne line and fill styles either before or after drawin.
    c) custom shapes-star, arrow, etc.
    eraser, cloning, etc.
    you should be happied with new release
    3) Simple Scripting, if, then, else, etc.
    it will have all that
    4) Importing video
    maybe later
    5) Built In Scroll Bars
    not sure if its a good idea .. how would they look, how would they work? if we do it one way, then everyone else will want it another way. But you'll be able to make your own scrollbars in new release.
    6) Keyboard Input for forms, etc.
    certainly an often requrested feature
    7) Better text formatting.
    Word wrap would be awesome
    yeup
    also it would be nice to be able to changethe font or bold/italic for a single word within a paragraph.
    nope
    8) The ability to change the alpha settings with the fade in effect. Incidentally this I use the place effect for this now. If the select attributes for the place effect dissappears it would be most useful to have that ability on the fade in effect.
    use the move effect instead .. then you can control the start and end fades if you want something other than the standard fade in/out.
    9) I would like it if items on the toolbar did not automatically de-select after use and default to the selction arrow.
    next release will work like MS Office apps do and stay selected if you double-click on them (so you can choose between on-off use of tool or turn it on until you select another tool
    10) When adding an effect allow the user to select the number of frames over which the effect should occur unless this the effect needs a specific number like typewriter, etc.
    you can do that now using effect settings dialog. In next release will be easier
    It would be my dream to not use flash at all These modifications would probably make that a reality.
    Sweet dreams
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