Is Flash Kit stealing ideas??

**bergen** · 12-10-2002, 02:00 PM

A letter I wrote to Flash Kit a few weeks ago:

"My question is: Are you ripping people off?

I have looked through despriptions of movies in the new section. Some have excellent
descriptions. Others have no useful descriptions at all., not mentioning actionscript features
nor anything else related to Flash.

I have seen movies so simple and basic its almost embarressing. People submit
buttons(!!!) and get them accepted. People submit samples of the simplest features of Flash
and get them accepted.

AND, I`m seeing submissions that show ZERO sense of visual design.

I got rejected, among other things, a fully actionscript driven dancer/figure, that have bodyparts
that can be dragged around, and a set of fully scripted movements constituting various "dances".
You may say its a fairly advanced setup.

I got rejected an actionscript driven paint program. This program contains samples
of many Flash 5 as features, such as color, alpha etc. It also presents a clean and functional interface.

I also got a few other movies rejected for reasons beyond me.

I dont aspire to the title Master of The Flash Universe, nor do I believe my work is
that new nor unique. And admittingly, I DONT write the most beautiful code in the world.

But, WHEN COMPARING the quality of a bunch of the movies you have accepted (including some of the new stuff), and my
own, rejected work, and when comparing my descriptions to a bunch of others, I find no reason for rejecting my work.

It makes me wonder if you are ripping people off, stealing their ideas and work.

I base that also on the fact that I submitted 5 movies over a year ago, got email confirmation
that they were received, and then heard nothing ever again. Needless to say the movies never showed up
on your site.

Oeyvind Toft"

Cant help but airing my views. There are lots of excellent stuff
in the movie section. But lets face it, there are also tons of pure crap. I dont like to be beaten by pure crap.

Oeyvind

**Visionray** · 12-10-2002, 02:15 PM

So because you're movies weren't excepted, is means FK is "ripping" off other peoples work? Eh? What are you talking about. You think the FK admins are taking your work, not posting it, and then using it for their own portfolios? Oooooookay dude.

**justice strike** · 12-10-2002, 02:20 PM

let's put things in perspective.

1. You arn't registered till today. How can we make sure this is your work. Those crappy buttons and stuff may be crappy but are probably one of the few works we know for sure that arn't ripped. Among other things most movieclips are made here on this board.

2. Try looking up some stuff from CAP or other online groups that find their home here on this board (CAP for example is the project of the A&A board). Those are community projects ofcourse there are some crappy arts between them but it was made in a community effort hence deserving a place in the movie section.

3. I havn't looked at your code or anything, but did it occur to you that your code could be so sloppy the people reviewing it didn't understand what you where doing? Mostly the code in the movie section is ordened and neat so anyone nearly always sees what is beeing done.

4. You could email the persons who have fla files posted in the movie section. their name email adress among other things are noted. I'm positive they'll not say it was ripped of from them.

ps. i'm not the one who reviews the code i'm just giving some explanations on why your code could have been rejected. If you really wanted to know why your code has been rejected try emailing the person who rejected your code for further explanation.

**vampstko** · 12-10-2002, 02:22 PM

LMAO get over it..i've been here forever and dammit they have only accepted 1 thing i've sent in...<falls off chair> BWAHahahahahahahaha

**mx_kid** · 12-10-2002, 02:27 PM

Still waiting for my 2A fla to get approved...

***gerbick*** · 12-10-2002, 02:31 PM

I can not speak for the admin, nor Flashkit.com; however, some of the stuff I've seen rejected is mostly due to either it being derived, or possibly derived from other projects without giving prior recognition, using music samples that were trademarked, or other legitimate reasons.

the descriptions... those come from the person doing the submission. True, some lack details, while others have details.

Instead of getting mad, and saying that you're "ripped off" ever thought of e-mailing the webmaster@flashkit.com?

How are you getting ripped off? If anything else, all I see is rejection.

**jstarkey** · 12-10-2002, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by bergen

I have looked through despriptions of movies in the new section. Some have excellent
descriptions. Others have no useful descriptions at all., not mentioning actionscript features
nor anything else related to Flash.

And the dates on them are? At the beginning of this year things started to change and descriptions are now an absolute requirement.

I have seen movies so simple and basic its almost embarressing. People submit
buttons(!!!) and get them accepted. People submit samples of the simplest features of Flash
and get them accepted.

And people download those buttons and use them. And newbies download the simple things and learn from them. It's a balance thing.

I got rejected, among other things, a fully actionscript driven dancer/figure, that have bodyparts
that can be dragged around, and a set of fully scripted movements constituting various "dances".
You may say its a fairly advanced setup.

Are you referring to Disco Girl?

I got rejected an actionscript driven paint program. This program contains samples
of many Flash 5 as features, such as color, alpha etc. It also presents a clean and functional interface.

There is at least one already available for download with these features and more.

But, WHEN COMPARING the quality of a bunch of the movies you have accepted (including some of the new stuff), and my
own, rejected work, and when comparing my descriptions to a bunch of others, I find no reason for rejecting my work.

There are quite a few requirements now.

It makes me wonder if you are ripping people off, stealing their ideas and work.

Visionray!!!!! Are you stealing code again?

I base that also on the fact that I submitted 5 movies over a year ago, got email confirmation
that they were received, and then heard nothing ever again. Needless to say the movies never showed up
on your site.

Unfortunately, at the beginning of this year there was a corrution in the movies database. We lost over 1300 entries. it was beyond my control.

**jstarkey** · 12-10-2002, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by gerbick
webmaster@flashkit.com?

Shhhhh, your not supposed to post that address.

I think he did email a complaint.

**bergen** · 12-10-2002, 02:50 PM

gerbick:

Actually, as stated in my post, the letter shown IS a copy of an email posted to webmaster@flashkit.com
-------------------------------------------

Justin strike:
What do you mean I`m not registered till today?

Actually, I dont mind crappy buttons nor crappy stuff on the internet in general. I think one of the fun things about the web is the deversity. Both brilliant stuff and bad stuff. reflects life in general in a way.

What I DO mind is seeing crappy stuff on Flash Kit while some of my own, far more advanced stuff is rejected.

If Flash Kit were filled with only excellent stuff I wouldnt care too much if I were rejected. I would create new stuff and try again later.

As I admitted in my letter, my code isnt beaufiful. However, a movie called MaxiYatzy that they DID accept is a total mess. I cant even understand it myself any more. Tried to fix it for FlashMx but gave up.

Some of the code in my submissions is partly based on great flashers
work. Others are entirely my own. And they took some hard work to
create...

Oeyvind

**megatoon** · 12-10-2002, 03:15 PM

My 02 cents (cuz I've been here long enuff to give it

).

This should have been left between you and FK. Your not going to get any sympathy from anyone here. By making a public statement like this. Basically you've just insulted our entire community.

In the case of Justin Strike. You haven't been here long enuff to get the name right

Perhaps you should have posted some examples. And let the members judge whether your claim has merit or not. Instead of rambling on about this and that.

But on a more positive not the

smilie is still active. So

**bergen** · 12-10-2002, 03:16 PM

jstarkey:

I have seen very limited descriptions of movies submitted in the last months. I dont say there is a huge number of them, but they exist.

I dont know what you mean by "Disco girl". I submitted a movie
called "Dancer".

You already have a paint program for download?? Gee, but not
enough buttons eh?

What requirements??

Oeyvind

**bergen** · 12-10-2002, 03:22 PM

megatoon:

I would probably have left it between me and Flash Kit if they had
answered my email.

O`boy !! The WHOLE community??? WHAT HAVE I DONE !!!!!

If you had looked at the end of my posts you would have seen links to my homesite. And Flash work.

**jstarkey** · 12-10-2002, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by bergen

I dont know what you mean by "Disco girl". I submitted a movie
called "Dancer".

Can you post it here?

You already have a paint program for download?? Gee, but not
enough buttons eh?

How many buttons have you seen on the net this week? Compare that to paint programs.

**bergen** · 12-10-2002, 03:38 PM

jstarkey:

Dont take the "button" thing too literary. I mean movies
showing VERY simple features. In general.

You find the dancer under "experiments" on the Flash
part of my web. Links here:

**crazybonkers** · 12-10-2002, 05:50 PM

Bergen I’m interested in your fla send it too me. I have been looking for said actionscript to make a similar shaking doll and have not been able to find one on flashkit, apart from the nodding Indian doll

Please send it to me in a zip crazybonkers@btinternet.com

Much appreciated.

Crazybonkers

**megatoon** · 12-10-2002, 06:06 PM

Okay first things first. These are links to your work:
http://home.online.no/~oeyvtoft/ToftWeb/
http://home.online.no/~oeyvtoft/Toft...rameset/3d.htm
http://home.online.no/~oeyvtoft/Toft...eset/flash.htm
Note how they actually "link" to your work!

My point was. If you actually interested in getting these submitted. You would have put these "links" with in the first paragraph of your original flame. I'm sure if enuff people like them and posted back saying such. Then they would magically be submitted.

Instead you've wasted the whole 8 posts you've ahve here. Vainfully trying to justify your original post.

But no fear the Waaaahhhhhh-bulance is on the way!

**bergen** · 12-10-2002, 06:20 PM

crazybonkers:

Dancer is send...

Hope you`ll find it useful.

Oeyvind

**pargoodgolfer** · 12-10-2002, 06:50 PM

If you could, I am also interested in the dancer.

Thanks.

Email: pargoodgolfer@attbi.com

**justice strike** · 12-10-2002, 06:51 PM

what i ment with not registered very long is this

Date Registered: 11-28-2002

anyway as megatoon said mostly things are submitted after they have been on the forum (atleast with cap) dunno how it is with all other movies though.

However you must realize though that the administrators here have a really though job maintaining everything without even having to think about how they done people wrong...

as for your work well it's ok the dancer was kinda funny havn't seen the source can't comment on the neatness of your code. However do not submit fla files with elements of code you "lend" from other people without prior notice. I think there could be some legal hassle with flashkit and the original author if flashkit does post it.

but all by all it seems pretty ok..

one thing though if you post your complaints on a board (any board) don't be surprised if people start to comment and reply on the topic, afterall you chose tomake it public instead of using email to solve it personally

**bergen** · 12-10-2002, 07:17 PM

pargoodgolfer:

Dancer on its way...

At this address you`ll find 10 - 12 of my fla`s:

http://www.actionscripts.org/movies-categories.php

(Luckily for them they accepted all my submissions...saving them
angry email from me =O))

Oeyvind

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