2advanced V.4 Premiere

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

Originally posted by Markp.com
Where are these 50% figures?

Honestly, anyone still using 800x600 are living in the past. Most machines ship with atleast 1024x768 today. So you are just left with Grannies checking their email once a year on a 14,400 bps dial up and people that can't afford to upgrade; neither of which are going to be customers.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2003/May/res.php

http://www.echoecho.com/

Plus many dozens of others if you care to search before suggesting I'm wrong, all of which have 800 x 600 as the dominant resolution, with percentages ranging from between 42% and 47%.

So a damn lot of people still living in the past it would seem...

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

Originally posted by erova
and actually i'll even defend their choice not to design to 800 by 600--consider their audience and more importantly-their potential clients...maybe those same people who are saying they should have designed for 800 by 600 should also suggest 2a build their new site using no Flash since there are some people out there who dont have the flash 6 plug-in...

Dude, low single figures for those who don't have the Flash plugin, close to half the audience have 800 x 600. A slight difference...

So again, I'll advise my clients on what I believe is the smartest business choice, whatever I would like to do personally.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

Originally posted by Visionray
I know they're arrogant, and I know that site has a lot of ego, but in this day in age you have to have that to get noticed.

And that's probably the most accurate comment about 2A and about the site: They're arrogant, they know what they do good, and it gets them business (and I don't mean any of that in a bad way, it's just business strategy).

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

Originally posted by Grifter730
I'm a big fan of people who force 1024 or larger to the visitors. It's the only way that monitors will soon ship with a minimum of 1024x768, which is a great size for me.

Has nothing been learnt by those who rode the dot com boom and then bust? (or maybe you weren't one of them) You don't get anywhere forcing people to do what you want them too. You cater for their needs, not the other way around...

As I've said previously, all power to 2A if they can simply ignore such a large percentage of viewers, but it ain't something I'm going to do, nor is it something I'd advise any newbie to do. Consumers drive needs, not the other way around. That's economic reality, and has been proven time and time again for much longer than the web's been around.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

Anyway, there's a day's worth of posting in one hit for ya!!!



The one thing I would probably be jeoulous about is 2A's backend. I would guess that does rock.

[Markp.com]

Originally posted by TheOriginalFlashDavo
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2003/May/res.php

http://www.echoecho.com/

Plus many dozens of others if you care to search before suggesting I'm wrong, all of which have 800 x 600 as the dominant resolution, with percentages ranging from between 42% and 47%.

So a damn lot of people still living in the past it would seem...

Oooooowwwww! hahaha... I didn't suggest you were wrong, I just asked for the figures then went on to say that its grannies and unimportant plebs using 800x600, people highend flash designers don't really have to consider when designing their super sites!

[Gloomycus]

Originally posted by Grifter730
Sorry, but dripping paint on canvas can't be considered "painting" in my book, nor is it "art". Dunno what Miles Davis did, or who he is, so I can't say anything about that. But if he just started farting and calling it music, then yes, I'll say that he would suck as a musician. I realize that Pollock supposedly can create "wonderful patterns" that are pleasing to the eyes through his painting. Regardless, I still think his paintings aren't paintings at all, and that they suck. I also realize people can tear apart at my opinion, and that's fine.

By yoiur saying that Pollock strictly did drip paintings in purely narrow minded. If you have ever (and obviously you haven't) you would see that he had quite an artistic range. Most of his earlier art was abstract, but abstract with more form, and was very conforming to the art of the time. Secondly you are not looking at drip paintings properly. They are made to BE the image and are not 'portraits' of other images. Pollock was one of the first artists to revolutionize the way someone looks at art, the same with Kandinsky and is non-objective art.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

Originally posted by Markp.com
Oooooowwwww! hahaha... I didn't suggest you were wrong, I just asked for the figures then went on to say that its grannies and unimportant plebs using 800x600, people highend flash designers don't really have to consider when designing their super sites!

45% of users? That's a hell of a lot of grannes online!
(and do you think they're on it fr the porn??)

And who does a web design business advertise to? Other web designers??

And sorry if I misunderstood the accusation of "wrong", that was just the way I percieved your post. Apologies if I was mistaken.

[Onionboy]

ive just had a read throught this thread and it was interesting to view the comments.

ive made several comments already in the cool sites thread.

the one i will repeat however is the fact that 2A are known to be a great design company, if not the best.
now if they are to regarded as the best they shouldnt be making sloppy mistakes.

the whole front page is full of typographic errors, bad alignment/mis alignment, poor typography full stop in certain areas and poor image composition in some parts.
this to me is something i look at closely when a company launches a new site. and sadly with a site as full of errors and bugs as this site has it has failed to impress me.
the back end may be incredible, but the viewer sees none of that...
first impressions last as they say... and first impressions here are 'unrefined'

[erova]

Originally posted by TheOriginalFlashDavo
Dude, low single figures for those who don't have the Flash plugin, close to half the audience have 800 x 600. A slight difference...

So again, I'll advise my clients on what I believe is the smartest business choice, whatever I would like to do personally.

that slight difference is 20 percent, but i'll give it to you (i did mention flash 6 player, but i'm not trying to split hairs).

now let's see how many of the bacardi dj visitors have 800 by 600...either way it's obviously not impossible to design for larger screen resolutions while still keeping significant content available for 8 by 6ers...

[gerbick]

check this out...

too funny.

[pheck]

that IS funny.

billy vs eric? billy takes the cake. i REALLY enjoyed teh billy release. i was REALLY disappointed with the eric release. but i agree with a previous poster. i don't think it was eric who did the bulk of this one. its just not as clean as others (or maybe he is starting to experiment with proggies he's not mastered yet?).

[connelb]

Just checked out the new 2A Site.

And the award for most pretentious website on the internet goes to...

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

Originally posted by erova
...either way it's obviously not impossible to design for larger screen resolutions while still keeping significant content available for 8 by 6ers...

And I actually came back to comment that one thing I did notice is that they have indeed catered for 800 x 600 in a way by making the "core content" fit into that size - at least the 800 width - with the "not important" content such as the feature site and "press updates" to the right of screen. So give them credit for that, though the horizontal scrollbar is still never the best option.

[Egan311]

Originally posted by gerbick
check this out...

too funny.

That's great.....

[byte]

I like the new design and flash, but the color scheme is going to have to grow on me.

[jamble]

I must admit that I like the new colour scheme and several parts of the site are interesting and slick.

I know (as has already been covered here) that the frontend of the site is perhaps not revolutionary but 2A have a certain style and they've adhered to it in this release. I'm not really a fan of "new version parties" but at the end of the day 2A are a company who I believe are experts at self promotion and in this market, that's probably more important than a few gradient fills.

I liked the old site, it wasn't my favourite but it was a solid site, the new one will grow on people and no doubt spawn a thousand cheap knock off sites in due course.

Yes it's trendwhorish and perhaps not a big departure from a lot of their other work but you've got to admire the way it's being promoted and discussed, I find that more interesting and inspiring than the site itself.

It's very processor and connection intensive and not entirely to my personal tastes but I think they've made a nice site and at the end of the day I'm sure they'll be crying all the way to the bank after reading reviews of it on the net.



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sidenote: Pollock's work was truly excellent.

[Visionray]

I still can't get any of the levels to load.

[Visionray]

you make some great points Jamble.
I actually like the design and colors as well.
Not the best in the world, but the animations are nice.

[Subway]

I don't like it.

Maybe the other skins will get my interest, but it looks like they are not working till now.

Fredi