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    No, I don't think they'll sneak it in like that. The update will be clearly marked...at least I hope.

    It should be part of SP1b.
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    As designers and developers, do we have a clear cut responsibility to update our browsers to not have the hard-coded object and embed tags supported - so we're on the same page as the masses, who will blindly run said update and end their ability to view external media without our updating each and every one of the swfs currently out there?
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    As designers and developers, we have an obligation to make our content work on as many platforms as possible.

    How you do that is up to you.

    But as an e-Learning developer, I know that 99% of my work goes into IE on Windows, in controlled corporate environments, which saves me tons of headaches.
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    Hey, in Brazil, 99% of people don't even know that there are any other browsers.



    So how does this work? If we (I, you) cut out the current hard-coded tags in the page and replace those with the dynamically inserted tags within the Flash movie (as outlined by g_SOLO and others), that's a good solution whether the user's browser has had the ability to read the hard-coded tags stripped or not, right.

    It sounds logical, but that does not mean it is a correct assumption - you may have heard of that thing they call Murphy's Law.
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    Don't forget - in order to use this new method, you must ensure that your users have Javascript enabled (though it is less likely that they will not have js enabled than not have the plugin you are calling).

    My favorite aspect of this new "feature" is the activation prompt:



    What do you do if it's not OK?

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    Click the close button on the prompt.

    Cancel is purposefully missing.

    Yes, this solution won't impact anyone using a pre-fix version of the browser. And it if Javascript is disabled, you can 99.9999% of the time bet that plug-ins are as well.

    bastards
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    So much for seamless integration.

    I have never before felt so much like a pawn in a chess game over which I have no control.

    Sure, I never had any illusion that I was not a pawn in a chess game over which I had no control, but the grim reality of how accurate that feeling was has started to hit home.

    'Bastards' does not even start to explain how totally let down I feel, and I'm not even close to having to do as much work as you have PAlexC.
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    Code:
    <script>
           embedObject();
    </script>
    <noscript>
           <object>
                  <!-- stuff -->
           </object>
    </noscript>

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    This is bullscat. My server does not support js scripts.

    I am seriously thinking of going back to pushing html pages.

    I'll bet this is all over security issues, which is caused by buttheads that like to write viruses, who are usually prepubescent Bevis's.

    The internet is fast losing it's "open to all comers" aspect and quickly devolving to a class controlled snotnosed heirarchy of 'control the flow' mongoloids. We're going to be seeing a lot of homemade frontpage sites again.

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    Originally posted by iaskwhy
    I'll bet this is all over security issues, which is caused by buttheads that like to write viruses, who are usually prepubescent Bevis's.
    I thought that it was because Eolas were money gubbing whores that feel that milking MS for what ever they can get is better that trying to improve the internet or at least not degrade the internet as we know it.

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    you can just use the following

    <object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="container.swf?path=code-d.swf" width="955" height="600">
    <param name="movie" value="container.swf?path=code-d.swf">
    <img src="noflash.gif" width="200" height="100" alt="noflash">

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    alexasigno,

    If I read it correctly, you can't use the <object>,<embed> or <applet> tags, so how is that gonna work?

    http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/act...devletter.html

    You'll have to use the javascript workaround.

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    ahh thought it was just the embed

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    I smell a mad:404 target.
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    Originally posted by PAlexC
    I hope nordberg catches wind of this thread
    akkk! i've been in training all day and just got back to my desk. this bites - can i send that guy from Eolas the bill for all the changes i'm going to have to make?

    calgon, take me away.....!

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    Maybe Macromedia will decide to put out a patch? Something that will generate the stuff needed in the html page, and the js file.

    Yeah, right.....

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    Actually they are looking at developing some utilities. Read the Active Content Development Center.
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    Originally posted by nordberg
    akkk! i've been in training all day and just got back to my desk. this bites - can i send that guy from Eolas the bill for all the changes i'm going to have to make?
    This wouldn't have happened if you were taking an e-Learning course.

    Oh the irony.
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    ...and now I have tape all over my face.

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    Originally posted by alexasigno
    Yeah but if MS had applied to Eolas and maybe asked if they could do it or paid them! They woudnt have been in court.

    Seems like were MS we are the richest blah blah we can do what we want attitude to me
    Eolas receive +$500 Million for screwing millions of web developers. Eolas is a University of California spin-off containing one employee whose job is patenting hundreds of 'silly' research inventions and end up not using them, as their intention is only trying to catch a big fish like this.

    It sucks, laws that allow such blatant abuse suck, Eolas sucks.

    Don't blame Microsoft....

    I could understand it if Eolas had an application that actully had bits stolen, like the on-going Adobe and Macromedia wrangles. But to patent something they did not develop, or intend to develop...just thought might be the way of the future....plain and simple sucks.

    Microsoft and Macromedia are re-acting to this, not causing this. The blame and fault for all the problems it is going to cause lies squarely and solely at the feet of Eolas.

    Here are a few other Eolas "inventions" - http://www.eolas.com/technology.html
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    The blame and fault for all the problems it is going to cause lies squarely and solely at the feet of Eolas.
    Partially true since they tried to patent something that, even at the time, was already being used commercially. But the majority of the blame goes to the Patent Office. Over the last 20 years they have wrongly given away hundreds and possibly thousands of patents. Many of them have been overturned or revoked later down the line but that is besides the point.

    Sure, it would take a lack of integrity on my part to try and patent the concept of email w/o mentioning specifically how it would work but my lack of integrity would be of no use w/o moronic gov't employees to do my bidding and grant me ownership of that idea.

    If you have time, take a look at this...
    http://www.ozzie.net/blog/stories/20...heBrowser.html

    What strikes me as strange is that with MS's lawyers and resources, the amount of prior art and the general nature of the patent... why hasn't this been thrown out already?

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