USA? Love or Hate us.

[bvgroote_puppet]

Originally posted by fospher.com

dude dead kennedys...




I think I love you

[TallGuyLittleCar]

Originally posted by swampy

It was decided to invade Russia because Germany was running out of the raw materials (i.e oil) required to continue the campaign in any great capacity. Hitler needed the oil in the caucuses and the grain from the Ukraine.

I believe the original plan never called for the crossing of the volga, and invading stalingrad. Am i correct?

[Hellsbellboy]

perhaps England wouldn't have been invaded but they would have starved to death without US aid. The Germans had England pretty much isolated by it's U-Boat's.

[swampy]

Originally posted by TallGuyLittleCar
I believe the original plan never called for the crossing of the volga, and invading stalingrad. Am i correct?

the original plan was to go straight for Moscow, with secondary objective of kiev.

The one that was eventually adopted as Barbarossa was for a three pronged attack od Moscow, leningrad and kiev.

but Hitler got a bit egotistical about taking a city named after the Russian leader and changed the plan.

[swampy]

Originally posted by Hellsbellboy
perhaps England wouldn't have been invaded but they would have starved to death without US aid. The Germans had England pretty much isolated by it's U-Boat's.

nah, our stiff upper lip would have kept us going.

[swampy]

Originally posted by bvgroote_puppet
[B]dude dead kennedys...

How can they still be touring without Jello Biafra, it just isn't the Dead Kennedys

[jstarkey]

Originally posted by hurricaneone
These are the individuals that promote the stereotype of the 'dumb Americans', but it's too easy to point a blaming finger directly at them. The state has let them down, and they in turn, let their country down.

This would be true if the state governed motivation, but it doesn't. Having a room full of encyclopedias doesn't make you smart. Likewise, a lack of encyclopedias won't make you an idiot.

[PAlexC]

i.e. MarkNovak.

[Hellsbellboy]

Originally posted by swampy
nah, our stiff upper lip would have kept us going.

LOL i can believe that..

[hurricaneone]

Originally posted by jstarkey
This would be true if the state governed motivation, but it doesn't. Having a room full of encyclopedias doesn't make you smart. Likewise, a lack of encyclopedias won't make you an idiot.

I don't think you can use that as argument.

Although your analogy makes sense, in reference to schooling and education, motivation needs to be inspired. Having all the latest and greatest resources means nothing without decent faculty and vice versa, decent faculty would find it difficult to promote motivation in a school that has no resources and activities.

I think there's many a school district that has the best intentions, but not the money to achieve their goals, so despite their best efforts, they produce mediocre graduates.

I'm not saying that pumping billions into the less-fortunate school districts would solve all the problems, but failing to even attempt to bridge the gap between rich and poor districts, the state fails the kids, leaving the country with dimwitted citizens.

[jstarkey]

Originally posted by hurricaneone

Although your analogy makes sense, in reference to schooling and education, motivation needs to be inspired. Having all the latest and greatest resources means nothing without decent faculty and vice versa, decent faculty would find it difficult to promote motivation in a school that has no resources and activities.

Yeah, I see it a bit differently. The motivation to learn should be brought to school, not acquired there. It's an added bonus if the kid does get motivated by the system, but we can't blame the system if they don't.

IMO, it's kinda like going to the gym and complaining that your trainer doesn't inspire you to work out, so you're getting fatter. Having an inspirational trainer is a bonus, but ultimately it's on you to make the effort.

[bvgroote_puppet]

Originally posted by swampy
How can they still be touring without Jello Biafra, it just isn't the Dead Kennedys

don't ask me man, I still can't believe they had such a big freaking lawsuit and all.

[gerbick]

dude, why don't you use crikey?

[bvgroote_puppet]

because I don't live purely to humour an American oaf who finds the stereotypical prejudices of an australian amusing

[swampy]

:yoink:

[hurricaneone]

Originally posted by gerbick
dude, why don't you use crikey?

You forgot to call him 'Bruce'.

Originally posted by jstarkey
Yeah, I see it a bit differently. The motivation to learn should be brought to school, not acquired there. It's an added bonus if the kid does get motivated by the system, but we can't blame the system if they don't.

You're right again, but it seems to me that there's a correlation between exterior motivation (and the lack there of) and income level, with income level then directly reflecting on the tax base financing the school.

In case anyone reading this is wondering, I only feel as though I'm (vaguely) qualified to comment because my girlfriend of years past was a teacher in the Philly school system after she graduated. I remember that new teachers had to do some time at the worst schools, some sort of 'paying dues', I guess, and the stories she'd tell about the kids and the materials were really terrible.

[gerbick]

damn. I knew I forgot something.

[hurricaneone]

Crikey.

[gerbick]

I do rather like cor blimey though.

[hurricaneone]

Then you should visit Essex (East London).

Enigma can tell you more - he lives there.

You'll get 'cor blimey-ed' to death by the floozies down the boozer. And don't worry if you forget their names, if you just remember 'Cheryl' or 'Donna', you're 75% likely to get it right.