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    Flash and Search Engine optimisation

    Right

    I am keen on doing a portfolio site competely in flash, such as the sites by group94.com, e.g:

    http://www.bale.com.au/


    How would you approach a client that requires a flash site and would like to appear on the search engines too.

    Thanks in advance for any help
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    found this:

    what do you think about what the bloke is saying?

    http://www.search-this.com/website_p...ize_Flash.aspx
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    You could also place your content in a <div> and set the visibility to "hidden" in your external CSS file that has been placed off limits via a robots.txt file. I wouldn't consider this method spamming because you're not misrepresenting your site in any way; you are simply making the content that's already on the screen available to the spider.
    despite your intentions, if you use hidden text you will most certainly be penalized for spamming.




    of course the best way to avoid the problem is to not use flash at all. But if you are keen on using flash, have an html alternative. The point is, don't build a site for search engines, build it for visitors. If you have a way that presents the information to the visitor in a means other than flash if they desire, then you should do fine with the search engines.



    so far the only search engine i know of that can crawl flash swf's is www.ask.com and even that has limited capabilities
    Bill Erickson: resume | portfolio
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    Originally posted by MG315
    so far the only search engine i know of that can crawl flash swf's is www.ask.com and even that has limited capabilities
    Google and I believe a cpuple of others do too...

    filetype:swf "Skip Intro"

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    Create your entry page strictly in valid xhtml with all of your relevant content, and at the end of the file, use your favorite flavor of Flash detection to automatically forward the user on to your Flash content. (Say that five times fast!!! 'favorite flavor of Flash')

    This way, you serve two purposes. First of all, you present valid content to the search engines, and secondly you give users who do not have the proper Flash player the ability to find out about the website, and find instructions on upgrading their plugin.

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    I think i have a nice little solution to this problem.

    Your index page needs to be in XHTL 1.0 strict.

    <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">

    You have 2 links, one to the flash site. The second goes to a text only site. This way you should be able to comply with accessability needs.

    At the end of the day, how long will it take for you to just copy paste all the text from your flash file to a simple html file.

    ha, I am quite pleased with myself for coming up with this !!!!

    come on Jabez, knock yourself out ....

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    Originally posted by OddDog
    ha, I am quite pleased with myself for coming up with this !!!!
    Ha! Genius, Patrick.... pure genius!

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    I had a problem with search engine optimization until I started putting <noembed> tags within the <embed> tags of the flash file. The text content was only related to each flash file and isn't regarded as hidden text since anyone who doesn't have flash player would be able to read it (and it's only related to the content on that particular page) This basically solved all my search engine problems. Hope this helps...

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    thanks for all the help guys

    much appreciated
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    mseshadri, I am interested in your solution. Can you eloborate a bit? Do you have an example?

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    No embed tags

    The website is http://www.rhymesandsongs.com I have javascript on the pages so that the source cannot be viewed without some effort ( have had problems with people taking the flash files) But here is an example of the code below. I just put the content of the nursery rhyme into the noembed tages, a link to download the flash player and a link back to the main page of the site. The <noembed> tags sit within the <embed> tags.

    <object classid="clsid27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000"
    codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,0,0"
    width="550" height="375" id="bettybotter" align="" name="bettybotter" border="2">
    <param name=movie value="movies/bettybotter.swf"> <param name=quality value=high>
    <param name=bgcolor value=#FFFFFF> <embed src="movies/bettybotter.swf" quality=high bgcolor=#FFFFFF width="550" height="375" align=""
    type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" name="bettybotter" border="2">
    <noembed>You need flash player to see this nursery rhyme. Click <a href ="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash">here</a>
    to download it <br> Betty Botter bought some butter<br> But, she said, the butter's
    bitter.<br> If I put it in my batter,<br> it will make my batter bitter.<br> But
    a bit of better butter<br> will surely make my batter better.<br> So she bought
    a bit of butter,<br> better than her bitter butter.<br> And her butter was not
    bitter,<br> so twas better Betty Botter bought a bit of better butter<br> <a href="http://www.rhymesandsongs.com" target="top">home
    | </a> <a href="http://www.rhymesandsongs.com/nurseryrhymes.html" target="contents">Introduction</a></noembed>
    </embed> </object>

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