firefox, a moze by any other name

[Napalm]

You've hit the nail on the head. You can't discuss IE security vulnerabilities without addressing Windows' underlying security flaws.

[whispers]

Originally posted by bvgroote
Oh and one more thing, you might act like this in real life, but on here it's different, you agree to terms and conditions.

If someone asks you a stupid question, it doesn't give you a right to insult them, I believe that is against the rules.


And don't worry, you're on my list too

Funny how I dont see these "policing" comments aimed towards ANY of the FF supporters...being that THEY are the ones who start to make this personal with insulting comments?? (and still do)...but of course..if they agree with YOU..its all OK...

I mean if you wanna do the the "they started it" routine... and if not then you shoudl also keep THESE comments to yourself.

If they wanna come in here and call people idiots..etc..etc.. then let them get the response they deserve.

(sigh)

(what a joke) and for the record..if any of your CLOWNS want to try and contact me via PM..and try to "control" my actions..save it..your LESS than a joke.... take responsibility for your OWN actions..stay on TOPIC of this thread (of course the cry babies turned it into FF is better than IE)...which it NEVER was the topic... but seeing how you CANT focus...at least refrain from PM'ing me...


-whispers-

[darkstar]

yasunobu13

I don't know why you're quoting me and addressing bvgroote, but...

I was going for simplistic.
I was not asking you to defend your opinions, I was asking you to state them. You can defend them all you want, I encourage it.
I am also trying to steer this thread back on track, by giving us a simple basis from which to start, hence the simplistic quote. I am not sniping, I am treating you with respect, I am not insulting you, and I don't take my questions as pointless. If, "What conclusions are you drawing from this thread?" is pointless, then there is no need for the thread at all.

I understand that none of your post was directed at me, that's fine, but I would like an answer in order to clarify things.

because bvgroote posted your post.

"simplistic - the tendency to oversimplify an issue or a problem by ignoring complexities or complications."
though if that was your intention then i apologise.

ihoss.com
But this thread is not about M$ security, its about how much better FF is than IE
sniping again eh ihoss.com?, give up dude.
bvgroote

Oh and one more thing, you might act like this in real life, but on here it's different, you agree to terms and conditions.

If someone asks you a stupid question, it doesn't give you a right to insult them, I believe that is against the rules.

well, there are stupid questions and stupid questions,
some people are genuinely stupid and i will forgive them for it (although i might have a bit of fun with them at their expense), but the others however are too lazy to read the whole post so i have to repeat my intentions again and again, bvgroote and yasonublu. and as for insults? i was accused of looking like an idiot and sounding like a madman.
i didnt start the insults, if you care to do a post mortem of this by reading the whole thread and analysing it you will see that i'm right.
and as to my conclusions? wait until this thread is concluded.
who do you think you are, demanding my opinions.


theallan

So we have proven that Firefox offers a better end user expreience, and better security (yes there were links - but everyone seems to be ignoring the attempts to get this threat back on track, and continue bi*ching). So the only problem, is that a few of the old, non-complient sites don't render with FireFox? And the numer of sites that don't are very small - so much so that most people won't even notice.

evidently you are seeing the big picture here. rolleyes:
And Darkstar you did a great job starting this thread here,

cancerinform
because I know now I don't have to learn ASP. Instead I better continue learning PHP.
i will be expecting a cheque.
...but the difference this time is that FF is following the W3C standards and is open source and does not support commercial developments of other browsers. That means the liberation of browsers.
yes, set the browsers free.
mozilla based browsers have been around for years you know, i dont know what makes you so excited about firefox particularly.

nerd 1,does firefox open all sites?
nerd 2, no, but its nice and shiny.



Archimage
at last a decent sub topic, thank you.

[bvgroote]

Ok I'm out of this conversation, it would just be nice if both sides could keep this civil, are we not all adults (or almost!) here?

[theallan]

evidently you are seeing the big picture here.

Thanks

Allan

[asheep_uk]

I love this thread, it's one of my favourites to read. 25 vs. 1 - fantastic.

[I_am_Tarzan]

Originally posted by asheep_uk
I love this thread, it's one of my favourites to read. 25 vs. 1 - fantastic.

yep, I also read the whole thing.

Firefox rulez

[darkstar]

i shall quote napalm..

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

if you want this thread to die then stop posting.
if you post here, then i also have the right to post here.
if you dont i wont either.
i dont care either way, its up to you.

[asheep_uk]

Since when could gasoline talk, let alone come up with with quotes?

[darkstar]

i would engage in a battle of wits with you asheep.
but it appears that you have come unarmed

[asheep_uk]

Originally posted by darkstar
i would engage in a battle of wits with you asheep.
but it appears that you have come unarmed

I got frisked by MarkP upon entering the Coffee Lounge.

[darkstar]

perhaps it is time for this thread to be closed,
i think that its come to the end of its useful life.

[theallan]

This could actually be an interesting discussion. I posted a few links that you requested showing that MSIE6 SP2 is not secure (which you have been asking for during this whole threat). I found them through 3 minutes of googling... MSIE6 SP2 is not as secure as Mircosoft want you to believe.

However, you shrugged off those links with 'yeah so'. And then attacked a few more people.

We have proven MSIE6 SP2 is not as secure as Firefox - that Firefox offers more features - and that Firefox is standards complient.

And all that you are now saying is that you want the Firefox team to introduce errors into their software so that it will render a handfull of old pages that are badly coded?

Or do you have another reason to prefer MSIE6? I'm genuinely interested.

Allan

[darkstar]

leave it.
you are boring me.

[asheep_uk]

The reason most people have given me for not switching is simply: Internet Explorer works, so why bother changing?

Rather than closing this thread, which is a bit harsh, I think we should be responsible adults and just let it melt into page 2 and beyond. We've had a debate, I'm not sure what the purpose was, but either way I think everybody's made their point very clear.

[darkstar]

close it please.
its going nowhere.

[cancerinform]

Send it to Microsoft!

case closed

[darkstar]

you just can't let it go can you
grow up.

[I_am_Tarzan]

This is the difference between FF and IE:




Notice, that all the files it found came from IE.

I have windows XP SP2 with all lastest patches.

besides that, I am a webdesigner, and I develop for FF, so I'm shure it looks good on any OS with any browser. And when I test it, it looks good everywhere, exept sometimes it renders incorrectly in IE.

So I have to use hacks to make it look good in IE. So it isnt the issue that we want all users to switch to FF, leave them with IE, but we want Microsoft to implement the w3c correctly into their browser, as it should be.

So let's recap:

1) Security: as you see, I don't have many spyware now, equal to zero, exept some cookies, that i get from IE.

--sidenote: You saying you are looking from e end-users view, well, when somebody in the neigberhood of from my fammily has problems with their pc I go fix them. I notice that the problem keeps repeating themselves: annoying ads, comp slowing down, and unaccesable websites. The solutions is always: install adaware or some other spyware removal program and usually it's done. But the spyware gets better and harder to remove, so i lose alot of time. So shortly i installed FF at every place I went to fix the pc. And oh no ? nobody calls anymore these days to fix their pc. That my fried, is FF.

2) w3c's recommendations: I don't like IE being so arrogant not to implement the w3c as it should. For us developers a pain in the ass.

That's my opinion on this issue.

[theallan]

Please don't close it. Just address the points. You've ignored my points the whole way though. Lets actually have a debate - that's the whole point is it not. Please just address my points instead of ignoring them.

I really am very interested to see which browser is the better.