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    Ok, now i see it. I hadn't resized my window at all(i usually leave my browser maximized) I would suppose that it is just done with a full quality image that is made for a large size/high resolution then just made smaller when resized. Which is not very download efficient for lower res users, but most people browsing this site will be on high speed corporate connections so that is really not an issue. Pretty cool tho.
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    I love that the images resize when you resize the browser. They do have a certain, clean style but it's good to see they're pushing the technical limits of what they can do with flash all the time.

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    Originally posted by sense

    For some reason branding seems to get lost in their sites (can't explain why).
    completely agree. it somehow brings down the company's/client branding in order to strengthen g94's.

    probably that's only visible to us, who get the opportunity to analyse every single thing they do, and become aware of this style of theirs

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    I do agree about them not clearly focusing more on the brand, however, I think that would be because the client didnt specifically ask for it.

    They seem to have raised the bar right up when it comes to showing off their own brand.

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    I always thought that Flash was horrible at resizing bitmap graphics while still retainin max quality.

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    I don't agree that this is amazing design... i've seen the other sites that this firm have done that have been posted on the boards here and they're all the same, just a couple of slight differences. Group94 have designed one nice site and then re-sold it to multiple clients.. now there's nothing wrong with that in itself but are the clients aware that there are other companies with sites exactly the same as theirs? Someone earlier mentioned about them treating different 'level' clients the same. Are they paying the same? Probably... but if i'm a photographer i want to show people a couple of my photos and then have a meeting with them... i don't need to show them every one of my portfolios and then go to an image library because that was easier to navigate or something... so i don't really care about cutting edge design for my photography site, i want people to get in touch with me because their appetite has been whetted.

    There's nothing intrinsically wrong with just tweaking a design and re-sellling to another client. They have bills to pay (like someone said earlier) and money is money at the end of the day. the process has a finite lifetime, though, so sooner or later they will have to change (or adapt, or develop) this idea - which i'm sure they are doing already - eventually, because they know their product so well and have customised and added to it, they'll have an extremely powerful Flash-powered, template-based site building system with a powerful CMS behind it that people will buy because it's easy to use, cheap and looks pretty good... and then we'll all be arguing about that as well...

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    Originally posted by BrightMoments
    I don't agree that this is amazing design... i've seen the other sites that this firm have done that have been posted on the boards here and they're all the same, just a couple of slight differences. Group94 have designed one nice site and then re-sold it to multiple clients.. now there's nothing wrong with that in itself but are the clients aware that there are other companies with sites exactly the same as theirs? Someone earlier mentioned about them treating different 'level' clients the same. Are they paying the same? Probably... but if i'm a photographer i want to show people a couple of my photos and then have a meeting with them... i don't need to show them every one of my portfolios and then go to an image library because that was easier to navigate or something... so i don't really care about cutting edge design for my photography site, i want people to get in touch with me because their appetite has been whetted.

    There's nothing intrinsically wrong with just tweaking a design and re-sellling to another client. They have bills to pay (like someone said earlier) and money is money at the end of the day. the process has a finite lifetime, though, so sooner or later they will have to change (or adapt, or develop) this idea - which i'm sure they are doing already - eventually, because they know their product so well and have customised and added to it, they'll have an extremely powerful Flash-powered, template-based site building system with a powerful CMS behind it that people will buy because it's easy to use, cheap and looks pretty good... and then we'll all be arguing about that as well...
    I don't agree but you might be right. To back up your theory why don't you post examples of the same design they have used. I would be interested to see.

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    http://www.rainerbehrens.com/
    http://www.photopix.net/

    these were posted a while ago, they're what i was referring to. Photography, similar presentations etc.

    I'm not actually cussing them, don't know if that's how the post came across. They've had a good idea and they're exploiting it... that's a good thing...

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    Originally posted by BrightMoments
    http://www.rainerbehrens.com/
    http://www.photopix.net/

    these were posted a while ago, they're what i was referring to. Photography, similar presentations etc.

    I'm not actually cussing them, don't know if that's how the post came across. They've had a good idea and they're exploiting it... that's a good thing...
    Go to the group94 site and look in their folio. These sites were made for a married couple and were deliberatley made to be the same but with slightly different styles.

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    Really... ok, i'll keep my trap shut in future.

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    Originally posted by BrightMoments
    Really... ok, i'll keep my trap shut in future.
    Good idea.

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    Yeah, ok, well done, you're better than i am at everything... congratulations...

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    aww... c'mon, mates...

    reprimand me for intruding, but i hope you won't argue anymore than those posts...

    i mean, we all make mistakes.. no biggie, as long as we learn from them, and well, at least don't continue any argument here..

    this is a good thread, if i may say so.. it brings in our keen-ness on how the works are done.

    cheers to everyone, and peace!

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    Also, those two sites are not the same as this site. They may look imilar in style, but they do not funtion the same. The two you posted have the little clock timer for a slideshow mode, and the image transitions are different. There are definite differences in the layouts as well. And all their photography sites def don't look the same. take a look at these:
    http://www.carldekeyzer.com/
    http://www.dirklambrechts.com/
    http://www.redsquarephoto.com/
    http://www.verne.be/
    If you think all those are the same site, i don't know what to tell ya because these all look pretty original and different to me.
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    Originally posted by 7year
    http://www.dirklambrechts.com/
    Never saw THAT one! Very cool. Very irritating background noise though.
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    I think its just that the style they've chosen to go for makes all their sites look similar. But there's definately nothing wrong with that. If I ever went to a website made by G94, and I didnt know who made it, I could instantly tell just by looking at the website. Even if their little trademark mouse wasnt on the page. Their style is very distinguishable and I applaud them for that.

    Btw Ben, I sure do want to see you do some organic 24-7media style work

    Zak.

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    Originally posted by zakp0
    Btw Ben, I sure do want to see you do some organic 24-7media style work
    Hey, if I could, I'd love to
    But I can't
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    Too much of the same is never good.
    Too much techno for 2a, too much organic for 24-7 and now seems g94 is taking the same road.

    If you look at a site and can directly pinpoint the agency who did it only proves the point about them toning down clients brand to strengthen their own.

    Imo that's not a good thing to do. I rather see work from tonicdesign or skinnycorp wich do excellent sites but stay true to the clients brand.
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    Nice site. Always was amazed by group 94's werks.

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