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 Originally Posted by newhive
They claimed (as far as I know) that (6 millions?) jews were burnt somewhere in Germany in the holocost, What was the number of jews in the whole world then?
I won't argue with that, because I have little information about it, but it doesn't mean or include "insulting" to me. It's just the same like you all investigating me about my opinions, or my religion (excluding those who actually insult), that 's not a crime.
I'm sorry it's called "the Global anti-Semitism Review Act" (passed by Congress)
read more:
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/727/in2.htm
Im pretty sure that someone who survived concentration camps or had to grow up hearing second-hand stories about what kind of a person their father or grandfather was because they were killed in the holocaust would be offended by people questioning whether or not it happened. Thats the problem here. Who gets to decide what is officially insulting? Just because you dont think its insulting doesnt mean it isnt to someone else. Then, do we condone all behavior by anyone who feels insulted? If they arent offered an apology, what do we allow them to do? Its a slippery slope.
The anti-semitism review act looks like its intention is to make clear that the US will not entertain new policy on the basis of anti-semitism.
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Originally Posted by indivision
Who gets to decide what is officially insulting? Just because you dont think its insulting doesnt mean it isnt to someone else. Then, do we condone all behavior by anyone who feels insulted? If they arent offered an apology, what do we allow them to do? Its a slippery slope.
Thats exactly what the problem is. Ethics is beeing able to see something from other peoples perspecitve and realising than what you think might not be the right thing. If you don't want to inslut someone then you are ethical, because you see something from their perspecitve. It is impossible to live a life without insulting people, but if you realise you have and appologise then that should be fine.
One of the biggest problems is that in the arabian world the state, religion, education and news is the same thing. If you have never been outside your little country then this is hard to understand. The laws of our countries are based on religion, that is, do not kill or insult and treat your friends like you want to be treated back. 150 years ago religion and law was the same here, but because we don't care about religion anymore, the laws and religion have drifted apart. That is also the major problem with muslims coming to our wester countries, because we tell them they can have whatever religion they want as long as they follow our laws, but that is like telling you that you can walk whereever you want as long as your head is at home.
[NEWS FLASH]
A Norwegian guy was attacked in Syria yesterday and he survived by claiming he was Swedish. The same guy spoke to the Syrian people on friday and after cheering and applauding him they returned to cursing Norway and Denmark
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associate
Originally Posted by newhive
They claimed (as far as I know) that (6 millions?) jews were burnt somewhere in Germany in the holocost, What was the number of jews in the whole world then?
I won't argue with that, because I have little information about it
Finally, the Holocaust deniers are very selective in the sources they choose; other sources give very different figures for the Jewish population before and after the war. For example, the 1932 American Jewish yearbook estimate the total number of Jews in the world at 15,192,218, of whom 9,418,248 resided in Europe. However, the 1947 yearbook states: "Estimates of the world Jewish population have been assembled by the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (except for the United States and Canada) and are probably the most authentic available at the present time. The figures reveal that the total Jewish population of the world has decreased by one-third from about 16,600,000 in 1939 to about 11,000,000 in 1946 as the result of the annihilation by the Nazis of more than five and a half million European Jews. In Europe only an estimated 3,642,000 remain of the total Jewish pre-war population of approximately 9,740,000."
There is plenty of good information online.
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At the time of Prophet Muhammad, people used to mock him on his face, but he never did anything back. He just took it, and continued his work...
nazimm, there's a big difference between mocking "someone" who's alive and mocking "someone" who's dead.
Mocking a dead prophet even worse, it's a message targeting his followers.
Yes prophet Muhammad (PPBUH) was so merciful to not to return insults WHILE HE WAS ALIVE, ONLY HE has the right to choose between returning insults, or not. That's a right in Islam to every person, eye for eye, but who forgives is better.
I hope you didn't forget the "Taef" scene, where he (PPBUH) was given the option by Allah between destructing the people who severly harmed him (would be done by Gebreel), and to mercy them, and he CHOSE not to destroy them, as he was the most merciful man.
Allah himself gave him that option, but he CHOSE not to, I hope this is obvious.
AND as I said there is a difference between mocking a prophet, a dead prophet and a living one, it's just a message, and should be taken seriously.
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NZ
Originally Posted by newhive
....Allah himself gave him that option, but he CHOSE not to, I hope this is obvious......
....and why did he CHOOSE not to? It's a lesson for the whole mankind!
Alive or not alive dude, he's an example...
Trust me, see how this whole boycotting thing is gonna end....I don't wanna argue more....I KNOW my point is stronger than any other posts on this thread and even speaks more than the action taken by every muslim against this whole event...
No more words from me...
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What I'm trying to say is, you're fighting a losing battle.
At least we'll try.
....and why did he CHOOSE not to? It's a lesson for the whole mankind!
Alive or not alive dude, he's an example...
No argue, but it's a lesson too, that Allah at this particular moment OFFERED the 2 options, while knowing before, what will be the answer.
It's another lesson, we shouldn't ignore it.
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curmudgeon
and therein lies the problem, many muslims take the Koran as the "one truth" without taking into consideration the Hadeeths or Sunnas.
"They're very much like scruffy pigs to look at, and they've got big, knobbly warts and lumps all over their long, hairy faces. They are very, very ugly indeed..."
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Peace - Just in Heaven
The more the demonstrations - the more the image of Islam is getting beaten.
It's a lesson for the whole mankind!
When the Prophet himself can forgive...Why not his followers ???
It surely is a lesson for all of mankind...that Islam is more about peace than hatred like its making out to be in this case.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
- The Mahatma.
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NZ
Originally Posted by koolbabs2000
The more the demonstrations - the more the image of Islam is getting beaten.
When the Prophet himself can forgive...Why not his followers ???
It surely is a lesson for all of mankind...that Islam is more about peace than hatred like its making out to be in this case.
Aah...now what took you so long to post that? I was waiting for soo long...
Whoops, I meant, no more words from me......REALLY......
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associate
Originally Posted by nizamm
Whoops, I meant, no more words from me......REALLY......
It was good hearing from you nizamm, it sounds like you truly understand your's is a religion of peace. I don't mean to sound condesceding when I say that, as I don't know alot about religion, but I believe all Judeo Christian religions and prophets taught and practiced peace and tolerance and the best way to pay respect to those prophets is to live that way.
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curmudgeon
Originally Posted by admedia
It was good hearing from you nizamm, it sounds like you truly understand your's is a religion of peace. I don't mean to sound condesceding when I say that, as I don't know alot about religion, but I believe all Judeo Christian religions and prophets taught and practiced peace and tolerance and the best way to pay respect to those prophets is to live that way.
two words: Old Testament. It's all smiting and eye for eye, tooth for tooth.
"They're very much like scruffy pigs to look at, and they've got big, knobbly warts and lumps all over their long, hairy faces. They are very, very ugly indeed..."
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Originally Posted by swampy
two words: Old Testament. It's all smiting and eye for eye, tooth for tooth.
I am no bible scholar, but I think there is more in there besides smiting and eye for an eye... while I know there are very violent stories I think the most important lessons that can be gleaned from it are lessons of living a moral and peaceful life through following Gods commandments.
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I'm the good one!
Originally Posted by swampy
two words: Old Testament. It's all smiting and eye for eye, tooth for tooth.
Yes, but that was only to Jews, what many people forget ( some conveniently...not you swampy ) is that All the laws of the Old Testament were only given to the Ancient Israelites, not to Christians, The Mosaic Laws were done away with ( according to the Christian Scriptures ) and Jesus instituted a new covenant not in written laws ( Like the Ten Commandaments), but in spiritual principles.
iTony
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Peace - Just in Heaven
Aah...now what took you so long to post that? I was waiting for soo long...
The more we talk about it ... the more it flares up Nizamm...Hope the press stops sensationilising it... for the madness to end...
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
- The Mahatma.
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NZ
Originally Posted by koolbabs2000
The more we talk about it ... the more it flares up Nizamm...Hope the press stops sensationilising it... for the madness to end...
Woho! Man, I feel like I'm talking to myself....rock on bro! Topic's closed...
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New Wave
Originally Posted by koolbabs2000
The more we talk about it ... the more it flares up Nizamm...Hope the press stops sensationilising it... for the madness to end...
How about hoping people will stop acting like fools over a cartoon. There wouldn't be anything for the press to sensationalize if there weren't embassies being burned down, death threats etc...
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curmudgeon
Muslims don't believe in the holy spirit. They believe in Allah.
"They're very much like scruffy pigs to look at, and they've got big, knobbly warts and lumps all over their long, hairy faces. They are very, very ugly indeed..."
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I'm the good one!
Originally Posted by swampy
Muslims don't believe in the holy spirit. They believe in Allah.
Yes,and Jesus spoke about the Holy Spirit many many times, not as a man but as an active force, that is why I find it strange that they apply a very simple scripture that refers to the Holy Spirit, to prove that Jesus spoke about Muhammad...it's not even technical, or spurious, it's a straight out missaplication.
iTony
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Peace - Just in Heaven
truly understand your's is a religion of peace
Peace falls to pieces in the hands of some clerics, priests, mullahs,etc - the so called Defenders of the faith... Men should rise above these people and use commonsense.
I believe all Judeo Christian religions and prophets taught and practiced peace and tolerance
I agree with you admedia... Here again the Defenders turn Offenders and give a new dimension to things.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
- The Mahatma.
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Banned
its staggering to read those numbers... every time.
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