I'm Norwegian and I have nothing against Islam

[indivision]

it would seem that George Bush has actually done more to change Western misconceptions about islam than moderate muslims have.

[Ask The Geezer]

it would seem that George Bush has actually done more to change Western misconceptions about islam than moderate muslims have.

Yeah, he changed misconceptions into proof.

[Ask The Geezer]

Take god or religion out of the world picture, and it wouldn't be much different though. The world citizenry is still a bunch of stone age tribal retreads. All of us, we're all banded into our little tribes, like a pack of dogs, or ants in a hive, only rarely allowing a strange pack member or hive member into our midsts.

On the other hand, this is the natural order of things. Nature at it's finest. Maybe we ought not to fight it. War is part of the human condition. I think we should immerse ourselves in it, sort of like the american indians did. Make a ritual out of it though, so we don't kill ourselves off. Do away with nukes, carpet bombing, poison gas or anything more powerful or deadly than a Swiss Army knife and a good Hickory switch and just have the hell at each other. Steal each others women, cars, horses, for a couple months out of the year, then go back to work.

[XU1]

Take god or religion out of the world picture, and it wouldn't be much different though.

Minus the "higher" cause factor.

Do away with nukes, carpet bombing, poison gas or anything more Steal each others women, cars, horses, for a couple months out of the year, then go back to work.

ROFLMAO.......you keep making me laugh when I'm trying to be serious...

iTony

[indivision]

On the other hand, this is the natural order of things. Nature at it's finest. Maybe we ought not to fight it. War is part of the human condition. I think we should immerse ourselves in it, sort of like the american indians did. Make a ritual out of it though, so we don't kill ourselves off. Do away with nukes, carpet bombing, poison gas or anything more powerful or deadly than a Swiss Army knife and a good Hickory switch and just have the hell at each other. Steal each others women, cars, horses, for a couple months out of the year, then go back to work.

haha. its true. war and faith is in all human blood.

Nietszche made the argument that the proximity of war on the doorsteps of the Greeks and Romans was the reason that those societies produced so many great individuals.

[Ask The Geezer]

Think about it. Everyone could get into it, gramma's, kids, Company CEO's. It would be more popular than Monday Night Football, and it would be audience participation. You wouldn't even need to build stadiums.

Christ, the Networks and beer companies would go nuts. Think of the commercials.

[Visionray]

I totally agree with everyone. I also thought I'd make the 500th post.
WHOOOO HOOOOO!!! Wow this is one long thread.

[gerbick]

so... we've progressed past cartoons to wife-swapping and total anarchy?

all without mentioning beer. I'm disappointed.

[Ask The Geezer]

No, no, I just mentioned beer a couple posts back.

Well, beer commercials. But monkey see, monkey do. You see someone drinking beer, you want one.

Beer would sell good at a switch war, it's sweaty work whacking each other with little sticks.

[indivision]

haha. a switch war.

[Ask The Geezer]

Sure, you'd have to have referees and judges and scorekeepers and you'd have to have regulation equipment. Switches made from Hickory or Oak, not to weigh more than say 3 ounces and no more than 40 inches long and they have to be 3/8 inch or less in diameter. Whole cottage industries could pop up producing regulation switches, maybe even have companies like Louisville Slugger or Wilson put out a line. Maybe some Tennis racket handle tape on the ends so you don't get blisters, even whicker hand protectors like on a foil.

The whole idea of war should not be to kill off a good enemy, but to just give him some whelts, so he can come back and take another switching next weekend. If you klill him, he can't buy the beer.

[calpomatt]

What is Norway worried about....if you put a Viking in the ring with an Fundamentalist....clearly the Viking will pillage and plunder.

[MagnusVS]

What is Norway worried about....if you put a Viking in the ring with an Fundamentalist....clearly the Viking will pillage and plunder.

I don't think most people here are afraid... If anybody is coming for me, I'll get my axe and my polar bear

[indivision]

Sure, you'd have to have referees and judges and scorekeepers and you'd have to have regulation equipment. Switches made from Hickory or Oak, not to weigh more than say 3 ounces and no more than 40 inches long and they have to be 3/8 inch or less in diameter. Whole cottage industries could pop up producing regulation switches, maybe even have companies like Louisville Slugger or Wilson put out a line. Maybe some Tennis racket handle tape on the ends so you don't get blisters, even whicker hand protectors like on a foil.

The whole idea of war should not be to kill off a good enemy, but to just give him some whelts, so he can come back and take another switching next weekend. If you klill him, he can't buy the beer.

id buy stock in johnson & johnson!

[Ask The Geezer]

And not a single word of the Quran has ever changed.

Right. and how would you know that? You got the first draft to compare it with? A 1400 year old script? And mohammed was illiterate. He could not have written it. Even if he dictated it, it was supposed to have taken 23 years to write and he couldn't have known what it really said anyway.

Does it really matter anyway, what it says? It seems to be open to interpretation by any bozo old enough to grow a beard as to what it means.

http://www.jannah.org/articles/quranwrote.html

[emm_eye]

Right. and how would you know that? You got the first draft to compare it with? A 1400 year old script? And mohammed was illiterate. He could not have written it. Even if he dictated it, it was supposed to have taken 23 years to write and he couldn't have known what it really said anyway.

Does it really matter anyway, what it says? It seems to be open to interpretation by any bozo old enough to grow a beard as to what it means.

http://www.jannah.org/articles/quranwrote.html

Prophet Muhammed did not write it.. The Quran was sent by Allah to the prophet. and 1400 years is not a long time to keep a track on changes..

It is an incontrovertible historical truth that the text of the Holy Qur'an extant today is, syllable for syllable, exactly the same as the Holy Prophet (PBUH) had offered to the world as the Word of God. After the demise of the Holy Prophet, the first Caliph Hadhrat Abu Bakr (PBUH) assembled all the Huffaz and the written records of the Holy Qur'an and with their help had the whole text written in Book form. In the time of Hadhrat 'Uthman (PBUH) copies of this original version were made and officially dispatched to the Capitals of the Islamic World. Two Of these copies exist in the world today, one in Istanbul and the other in Tashkent. Whosoever is so inclined may compare any printed text of the Holy Qur'an with those two copies, he shall find no variation. And how can one expect any discrepancy, when there have existed several million Huffaz in every generation since the time of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and in our own time? Should anyone alter a syllable of the original text of the Qur'an, these Huffaz would at once expose the mistake. In the last century, an Institute of Munich University in Germany collected FORTY-TWO THOUSAND copies of the Holy Qur'an including manuscripts and printed texts produced in each period in the various parts of the Islamic World. Research work was carried out on these texts for half a century, at the end of which the researchers concluded that apart from copying mistakes, there was no discrepancy in the text of these forty-two thousand copies, even though they belonged to the period between the 1st Century Hijra to 14th Century Hijra and had been procured from all parts of the world. This Institute, alas! perished in the bombing attacks on Germany during World War II, but the findings of its research project survived. Another point that must be kept in view is that the word in which the Qur'an was revealed is a living language in our own time. It is still current as the mother tongue of about a hundred million people from Iraq to Morocco. In the non-Arab world too, hundreds of thousands of people study and teach this language.

The grammar of the Arabic language, its lexicon, its phonetic system and its phraseology, have remained intact for fourteen hundred years.

A modern Arabic-speaking person can comprehend the Holy Qur'an with as much proficiency as did the Arabs of fourteen centuries ago. This, then, is an important attribute of Muhammad (PBUH), which is shared by no other Prophet or Leader of Religion. The Book which God revealed to Him for the guidance of mankind is today's in its original language without the slightest alteration in its vocabulary.

This is taken from part of a speech "Message of Prophet's (saw) Seerah", given by Syed Abul 'Aala Muadoodi. He compares the history and authenticity of three scriptures, Torah, Injeel and Quran.

[Ask The Geezer]

No offense intended, but I remain sceptical.

It's just me. I'm sceptical of all religious dogma.

And I simply do not feel that what was good for the stone age is good for the space age. People, any living thing for that matter, need to change and grow or they stagnate. Stagnation brings conflict and eventual death of a species.

[gerbick]

No offense intended, but I remain sceptical.

dude, if a cartoon can incite a riot, then think if a word from a sentence in the actual book had been changed. chaos would have a new mentor.

there's enough sections within the religion that would cause all kinds of repurcussions with edits.

however, that's not the same with the Bible. Too many old texts put together from different languages to make up a story that Henry the 8th amended so he could get a divorce and get his freak on. You know other **** was added, subtracted.

[Ask The Geezer]

Maybe we need a study on it to see if it was changed. Like the holocaust study called for by the idiot in Iran.

I simply refuse to believe that anything lasted for 1400 years unchanged. And it was not written by muhammed anyway, since he couldn't read or write. Maybe his scribe couldn't spell either. Who knows? The point is, anything from that long ago has no bearing on todays world, other than something to argue over. If your forcing people to go by something that old, your society is not going to last in today's world. As we can see already.

[emm_eye]

The point is, anything from that long ago has no bearing on todays world, other than something to argue over. If your forcing people to go by something that old, your society is not going to last in today's world. As we can see already.

However old it might be.. The Quran was not for only the stone age people it was for all the generations that were going to come after it..

And also.. the fact that what science is discovering today was written in the quran 1400 years ago makes it even more authentic for even more generations to come.

Quran and Mordern Science