fla's to the client?

**jubjub** · 02-27-2006, 04:18 PM

Hey All,

Just curious as to all your thoughts on delivering your .fla files to the client? Seems like a normal action but with so many clients being other shops doesn't this take away from the need?

Thoughts?

Just curious.
-j-

**TallGuyLittleCar** · 02-27-2006, 04:30 PM

I don't give .flas I don't know anybody that does without charging a bit extra.

**indivision** · 02-27-2006, 04:32 PM

you know me!

i always give flas and all source at no additional cost.

**jubjub** · 02-27-2006, 04:36 PM

ya gotta love the balance here

**sk8Krog** · 02-27-2006, 04:38 PM

Search the Boardroom. Plenty of threads on the topic of source files and pricing accordingly.

**TallGuyLittleCar** · 02-27-2006, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by indivision

you know me!

i always give flas and all source at no additional cost.

nanu nanu?

**Ask The Geezer** · 02-27-2006, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by indivision

you know me!

i always give flas and all source at no additional cost.

Yup, me too. Like what are you going to do with an old fla that'll be out of date in 6 months anyway?

**jAQUAN** · 02-27-2006, 04:54 PM

I consider my .fla's my intellectual property. Nobody owns them but me. Not even my employer. I will sell them however, for 3 times the cost of the .swf.

**Ask The Geezer** · 02-27-2006, 05:00 PM

Keep it up. I get all kinds of work from people that come to me after talking to people like you.

**jAQUAN** · 02-27-2006, 05:05 PM

really? I keep all kinds of clients by not making it easy for them to go elsewhere.

**indivision** · 02-27-2006, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by TallGuyLittleCar

nanu nanu?

haha. yes!

**Ask The Geezer** · 02-27-2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by jAQUAN

really? I keep all kinds of clients by not making it easy for them to go elsewhere.

Mine want to stay with me, cause I'm not holding them for ransom. They seem to appreciate it and word gets around.

I just never understood the possessive thing for 'day old' intellectual property. In this day and age, having someone kype your work is one of the best compliments your going to get.

**indivision** · 02-27-2006, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Ask The Geezer

Yup, me too. Like what are you going to do with an old fla that'll be out of date in 6 months anyway?

im sure the cost is factored into the final price but i dont pay the stand-worker for his ability to pour ice-cream without getting the ice-cream cone itself.

besides, if the client knew what to do or had the additional resources to begin with, they would have done the work themselves. i tend to get repeat work after turning over initial source code for that same reason. they cant figure it out or dont have the resources. in several years, ive never run into one situation where i felt like handing over the source allowed work to get away from me. also, i wouldnt hire anyone who didn't offer the source.

**random25** · 02-27-2006, 05:30 PM

I keep it unless the client specifically requests it, Then there will be a small fee.

**jAQUAN** · 02-27-2006, 05:33 PM

There are only two scenarios imo.
1. The client is also a developer who decided it would be cheaper to outsource some development. In which case it's understood upfront that they are buying source and I discount heavily for that.
2. The client intends on taking my work elsewhere to get someone else to expand on it for cheaper.

**Ask The Geezer** · 02-27-2006, 05:42 PM

In the last two years, for the most part, the first question normally asked is if they can have the all the source code. Or, it's one of the things they demand. I am not going to say no and lose a potential job over that. Not that I would anyway, since I really don't see the value in old work. And I remember what it's like being hung out to dry when the company I have bought stuff from went South.

**silverx2** · 02-27-2006, 05:57 PM

i cant believe this questions is being asked again.

**indivision** · 02-27-2006, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by jAQUAN

There are only two scenarios imo.
1. The client is also a developer who decided it would be cheaper to outsource some development. In which case it's understood upfront that they are buying source and I discount heavily for that.
2. The client intends on taking my work elsewhere to get someone else to expand on it for cheaper.

what about:

3. The client may need to slightly alter a page you did by changing a font or color and they have staff that can handle that change.

**random25** · 02-27-2006, 07:09 PM

They contact me and i'll charge them a little to do it.
I make more money updating sites than i do from building them.

**indivision** · 02-27-2006, 07:33 PM

wouldnt you rather spend your billable hours doing substantial programming rather than changing fonts and colors?

over-all, i think sitting on code is a road-block to more fluid, efficient production.

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