site check please

[dwilliams3]

I would like some feed back on my new site design
http://williams.co.nr/

thanks

[Chris_Seahorn]

I don't know man...for a hybrid site I expected better speed. A few problems off the top of my head.......

The recordset paging (next/previous) in the guestbook fires new browser windows. Should be _self IMHO.

Fun/Flash games...wow...almost killed my eyesight with all that white against the preceeding massive amount of black. The grey text against the white is just not coming off well.

Fun/Animations....black text against a black backdrop...need I say more?

The rest seems offline so can't comment.

On the plus side.......

I like the brown header ....I like everything within the brown...it's everything in the black that needs rethinking maybe. Good start man

[dwilliams3]

What do you mean by "hybrid site"

where is there black text against a black backdrop??
I fixed the white text in the game area. That was a bit of a screw up.
I think its pretty good for throwing the new design together in one night.

Thanks for finding the guestbook bug, I never would of noticed it as the site maker. i'll fix that as soon as I can.

".almost killed my eyesight with all that white against the preceeding massive amount of black." it dosent really bother me. Perhaps I can fix this somehow without changing my site design too much.

thanks for the input
david

[Chris_Seahorn]

Hybrid...Flash as content as opposed to full flash. I assumed incorrectly and gave you the benefit of including flash but after viewing your source I see my mistake. I never did understand why anyone not using any flash would site check here (though it's not against the rules).

Black against black:



Big white blocks slamming the eyeballs:




As I recall I said it was a good start.
This is site check and you asked for one


I also just noticed some blue box that sits there on site entry....once again in total opposition to it's surrounding colors.

[dwilliams3]

oh, yea that blue box is suposed to be an add. Perhaps you have some add blocker not allowing the gif to annimate.

" I never did understand why anyone not using any flash would site check here (though it's not against the rules"
Flash/HTML/XHTML website
hey man, its in the description, Mainley because i dont want to register yet another form.

thanks for pointing out all the stuff you dident like though. Its really great to see someone's opinions. I tryed to get my sisters to look at it, but they werent much help.

What do you think of the overall site design, Navigation, and color scheme?

[Chris_Seahorn]

No blockers installed so I'm not sure what the blue box's problem is with me here.

You are well within the rules of listing..I'm so surrounded by flashers here constantly that I sometimes forget people still code standard sites.

I like everything within the brown but don't want to make you more upset with me than you already are. HTML and PHP sites just don't interest this old dog. I got my fill of them in the 90's. Oh, they get the SEO ranking over flash but surely not the freedom of movement and design we do so I guess it acts like a php site should. The navigation acts like I'd expect and everything goes where it is supposed to so seems you are doin just fine with it. As I stated earlier my issues are mainly with the lower half of the website and how it goes from one visual extreme to another as you navigate through. I'm sure you'll find the right color balance

[dwilliams3]

"ut don't want to make you more upset with me than you already are"
believe me, im not upset at all.

Im glad you brought up Flash vs html&php. Its a bit off the subject of a site check but I would really like to hear your oppinion on it if you will spare the time.

flash is great, it allows complete movment and It would be cool to have a large part of my site made in flash.
-flash cant display text. You cant even have plain text updating for a site without building some XML bull****. And even then, The text isent going to look good at all within a little box with a flash Scroll bar on the side..
-Flash sucks for updating, like I said above about XML. You either re export it every time to update, or you take the time to do some XML system.
-Flash Cant Streatch and take up the whole screen. THat is without just scalling all of the content inside.

For these reason I find flash too restrictive for web design. It suits me well for making games and other little goodies like that.

-David

[dwilliams3]

I really think that web design needs to be all one code. No Flash Embeded in html
Flash and html should be the same thing.
Could you immagin full motion and graphics in html with the simplicity of flash for designing, and the ability to preprossess with php or the like.
ahh that would be cool.

[Chris_Seahorn]

-flash cant display text. You cant even have plain text updating for a site without building some XML bull****. And even then, The text isent going to look good at all within a little box with a flash Scroll bar on the side..
-Flash sucks for updating, like I said above about XML. You either re export it every time to update, or you take the time to do some XML system.
-Flash Cant Streatch and take up the whole screen. THat is without just scalling all of the content inside.

Wrong on ALL counts. Thankfully, not all people are so misinformed. Take a look down and see the current size of the userbase here. Is that the kind of number you think a crappy authoring environment is associated with. Exactly what do you think made this website so popular...PHP and HTML websites and their uber cool abilities? Not on your life. Most of us ran here to get away from the boredom of PHP and HTML and aside from SEO (which will change) we can outsmoke any PHP site...bar none. I'm pretty sure Adobe didn't invest all that cash into an environment with the flaws you seem to think it has. If you CHOOSE not to use Flash, that is of course your call to make, but that places you beneath us in the WWW food chain...not above it

Since F8 and the upcoming, highly anticipated F9/AS3, you will see even more of corporate WWW activity come on board...why? Because achieving the WOW factor with PHP and HTML is yesterdays hope and not today's reality.

Good luck with the PHP site

[ThreeLefts]

I just wanted to comment on how creepy it is that we have the same First and Last name and my site is called "three lefts" and you have a "3" in your screen name here... friggin weird, man!

[dwilliams3]

"think a crappy authoring environment is associated with. "
I never said I thought flash was crappy. I love flash. Its great for making games and other little squares of my site I want to have complete visual capabilities.

what I was saying is that I dont think its good for making a whole web site with because its hard to update without building some sort of XML system and You cant have a big body of text.
Im really not trying to offend you. But dont you have an argument other than
"alot of people use it, so it must me good"
Now I use flash also.
I've only seen a few people build whole sites out of flash. If you have a great flash web site I would like to see it, But I dont see how an all flash site could be much mroe than a Biography, some pictures, and other short bits of text. perhaps a few links. Even A guestbook system reading from PHP would become a major pain in the ass to integrate into flash.

For this reason I will stick with FLASH for games and PHP/HTML for the website.

[Chris_Seahorn]

For this reason I will stick with FLASH for games and PHP/HTML for the website.

By all means do. It is...after all is said and done...your site and a reflection of you. I'm not offended...quite the contrary. I just think you are wrong

One of my "biographies" is the current featured movie BTW. It's meant to teach users a multitude of things you seem to think flash isn't capable of from dynamic coloring (user controlled) to MySQL data handling to SO's to you name it. Running live at my site if you care to see how it works...which I trust you don't as you have no need for such things. Peace and good luck with the site check.

[dwilliams3]

i saw your site
http://actionscript.hobby-site.com/
you dident build that Flash fourm system did you?

now I was looking at it, and tryed to browse it as a regular forum, and it was really annoying. Having to press that arrow to scrolll. What a pain in the ass. I wanted to Click and drag on the corner of it and have it enlarge so bad.

You cant honestly say that flash is good for any large data stuff like a form can you.. the flash Area cant enlarge!!!. There's no scroll bar!!!

[Chris_Seahorn]

you dident build that Flash fourm system did you?

No..I regularly give away things that aren't mine....lol


As for the rest...well...I offer a 100% money back guarantee to those not satisfied with the free download .....hahahaha

I'll be sure to add a line to the credits to warn users you weren't pleased. That should make a difference.

[Adobemedia]

Dude, if you think flash sucks, then go to a diffrent forum. I know you like using it for games and stuff, but if you want to go around and say "Flash sucks for webdesign!" Then maybe theres a flash sucks forum somewhere. I am extremely happy with Flash, considering you can do some awesome things with it. My new company, for example, made me use HTML with flash content, (Hybrid, like chris said.) and it was a pain in the ass. A super pain in the ass. I managed to create a template I liked in a MONTH. A MONTH!!! Just because I couldn't get used to no motion tweens, and the other stuff that makes Flash rock for interactive and rich media webdesign.
| This is not trying to flame. |

-Aaron

[dwilliams3]

to get one thing clear.

Im not staying here to tell you guys flash sucks for web design. Im here to say it, in hope that you will respond to the reasons why I said I dont like it. Please give some input guys.

I said. Flash is no good for big text data because
1. Its hard to up date without building some XML system.
2. Flash dosent always take up the whole screen perfectly.

now I was hoping you guys would say something like:
"Well yes i see your point, butt......."
"ok, I heard what you said, but it seems that........."

can you guys not have a damn positive argument?

[Chris_Seahorn]

No need to continually swear D. I understand you are upset about the errors found in your site...but there are children on this board. I won't remind you twice. Thanks in advance

[dwilliams3]

my god
at least answer this question
Do you just not want to talk about php vs flash?

[Chris_Seahorn]

No...you will not bend and I have no desire and little patience to convince you of it's benefits. You like PHP websites....stay with them. You asked for a site check...your getting what you asked for.

You staying on topic and watching your language is all I care about at this point. Later.

[dnystwn]

my god
at least answer this question
Do you just not want to talk about php vs flash?

I think comparing php with flash is like comparing skin with muscle.

There's no way flash can beat php being in middleware arena and the same applies to php in GUI/animation.

If you want to make a better argument against flash, you probably should compare it with DHTML.