Fact About Islam

[ghaniz786]

3PRIMATES !

I think you didn't read the given link there are many refreces with the name of persons i think if you read that once again the no question will be in your mind

And i belive that when muslim accept jesus as prophet not like jews we call him illigal chiled (Many jews says about jesus) so other should respect our prophet. because we respect their perophet and then if you want additional question you may calll http://irf.net they will fullfill your question as you want with solid proofs,
I hope you will contact them.

[3PRIMATES]

I think you didn't read the given link there are many refreces with the name of persons i think if you read that once again the no question will be in your mind

And i belive that when muslim accept jesus as prophet not like jews we call him illigal chiled (Many jews says about jesus) so other should respect our prophet. because we respect their perophet and then if you want additional question you may calll http://irf.net they will fullfill your question as you want with solid proofs,
I hope you will contact them.

I read the link and didnt get much from it because it is biased.
It was written in defense of Mohammeds actions and beliefs.
Anybody can take a person with low moral character and make them divine in text if they leave out all the pertinent data that refers to their bad qualities and the bad things they have done.

[gerbick]

I think you didn't read the given link there are many refreces with the name of persons i think if you read that once again the no question will be in your mind

I did read it. It didn't answer why... it justified why. Big difference. Seeing that she was to be his wife in a dream? That's not justification. That's a reason to say "it's ok"... sorta like how peoplpe say it's "ok" for Michael Jackson to act lik ehe does. But it's not "ok" at all.

And i belive that when muslim accept jesus as prophet not like jews we call him illigal chiled (Many jews says about jesus) so other should respect our prophet. because we respect their perophet and then if you want additional question you may calll http://irf.net they will fullfill your question as you want with solid proofs...

If Jesus is an "illegal child", then why should others take your prophet over one they think is also holy?

Just like there is in-fighting in Christianity, it's downright deadly right now between the factions within muslim society. Care to explain how is that allowed to happen? Sunnis killing Shi'ite, Kurds getting killed by the Turkish, and then the branching off of the Fundamentalists and their extreme views.

If your own society (I'm asking a question here, would love an answer) can't live peacefully with each other, then how would it live peacefully with a more diversified world?

No links. Just an answer if you don't mind.

[Adixx]

davo why do you always have to turn things around... 3P is talking about Muhammed and this thread is about Islam. Who cares about his ancestry.

Do you ever stick to the topic without blurring it with replies which are mostly in question form.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

davo why do you always have to turn things around... 3P is talking about Muhammed and this thread is about Islam. Who cares about his ancestry.

Do you ever stick to the topic without blurring it with replies which are mostly in question form.

Trying to pass judgement on someone from centuries ago using today's laws, customs and beliefs. I'm just seeing if he uses the same criticism on others besides Muslims, to see if he's balanced and fair or else just targeting one group of people with his criticisms and questions.

And I'd do exactly the same if someone was doing the same thing to a Christian, a Jew, an athiest, or a buddhist. Seems you're happy to have someone's Islamic/moral beliefs and point of views questioned, but not someone's other than Islamic moral beliefs and point of views questioned.

[Adixx]

Seems you're happy to have someone's Islamic/moral beliefs and point of views questioned, but not someone's other than Islamic moral beliefs and point of views questioned.

really? seriously, how did you figure that??

I question anybody's blind faith in anything and lack of balls to take responsability for their own actions instead of saying it was gods will.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

really? seriously, how did you figure that??

Well, I was questioning the guy's moral beliefs and point of view and you seemed to take offence at that. So I deduced from the evidence you presented me.

I question anybody's blind faith in anything and lack of balls to take responsability for their own actions instead of saying it was gods will.

Cool, but I didn't notice anyone claiming they had blind faith in anything in this thread. No one had asked anyone this question.

[Adixx]

Well, I was questioning the guy's moral beliefs and point of view and you seemed to take offence at that. So I deduced from the evidence you presented me.

Did not take offence... this thread is not about 3P's moral beliefs. Right??
so what if he had an pedophile anscestor... we are talking about a religious figure that is being worshipped by millions.

Cool, but I didn't notice anyone claiming they had blind faith in anything in this thread. No one had asked anyone this question.

not blind? Kay... but for someone to be constantly posting links and docs for download instead of facing a reality that is quite contradictory with some ancient literature is pretty blind. Same goes for Muslims, Jews, Christians, Catholics as far as I'm concerned.

Islam can be beautiful in theory but in practice it's just not the same... period.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

davo why do you always have to turn things around... 3P is talking about Muhammed and this thread is about Islam. Who cares about his ancestry.

Do you ever stick to the topic without blurring it with replies which are mostly in question form.

And the main issue that always arises when someone with an Islamic belief is dicussing their beliefs on this forum? That the same level of respect is not afforded to them by some other members as is affored to those with a Christian-based belief.

Example threads:
http://board.flashkit.com/board/show...t=christianity
http://board.flashkit.com/board/show...t=christianity
http://board.flashkit.com/board/show...t=christianity
http://board.flashkit.com/board/show...t=christianity
http://board.flashkit.com/board/show...t=christianity

It's always the case when anyone with Islamic beliefs ventures onto this board, and hence why they don't usually stay too long. Way to go to learn more about something many here know very little about.

[gerbick]

There are scores of threads where I've deleted, and banned, people for posting religious spam that were Christian based. Heck, there's even been a Christian Loan spam-fest that happened one night - 12 or so bans in one sweep.

The old Creationism threads - all closed, and some people were banned.

Whenever there's a christianity based thread, it's invariably met by the atheist first, then the mods asking for civility.

More than your five or so threads above; I've seen more than that this year alone that's gotten deleted that were Christianity based.

I seriously think that race, religion, politics should all be considered "no-no" items. Especially when you can't answer or argue without links. The moment you link to another file or site, it's no longer your opinion, but one that was shared with you by somebody else.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

There are scores of threads where I've deleted, and banned, people for posting religious spam that were Christian based. Heck, there's even been a Christian Loan spam-fest that happened one night - 12 or so bans in one sweep.

The old Creationism threads - all closed, and some people were banned.

Whenever there's a christianity based thread, it's invariably met by the atheist first, then the mods asking for civility.

More than your five or so threads above; I've seen more than that this year alone that's gotten deleted that were Christianity based.

I seriously think that race, religion, politics should all be considered "no-no" items. Especially when you can't answer or argue without links. The moment you link to another file or site, it's no longer your opinion, but one that was shared with you by somebody else.

Cool, then I stand corrected. However I would have made the same point about having respect for a person's beliefs in those cases.

[3PRIMATES]

The personal nature of the question was directed at his religious practices.
It was a question about his ideals and how you interpreted the Prophet Mohammed's way of life and teachings.

By the way, I still never received an answer to my question. It would go along way in telling me where he stands on the religious issue of Islamic pedophilia and the teachings of Mohammed.

EDIT:
I never in my life would make a blanket statement about any culture.
there are good and bad everywhere. If there wasnt, we wouldnt have religion in the first place.
I know that not all Islamics practice the old ways, but even if a person does not practice the old ways, to revere a religious icon like Mohammed who condoned and practiced pedophilia as a way of life just seems wrong.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

The personal nature of the question was directed at his religious practices.
It was a question about his ideals and how you interpreted the Prophet Mohammed's way of life and teachings.

By the way, I still never recieved an answer to my question. It would go along way in telling me where he stands on the religiuos isse of Islamic pedophilia and the teachings of Mohammed.

So what would be a more effective way of finding the info out? Asking in a way that you are fully aware he would find insulting, or asking in a way that showed respect for a person's beliefs and point of view, even if you don't agree with them?

Be a little like me trying to engage someone in a dicussion about Christianity and referring to him as "God boy" or something similar with every comment. Is not going to result in a very constructive conversation.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

to revere a religious icon like Mohammed who condoned and practiced pedophilia as a way of life just seems wrong.

Even if back in his day it was accepted custom to live the way he did?

[3PRIMATES]

It was a direct,Point blank question with no hidden meaning at all.
I feel no reason to sugar coat my questions and respect people who can talk to me without beating around the bush. I would rather be insulted and know the true meaning of a persons question than have them be cryptic and maybe not get what they are asking.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

It was a direct,Point blank question with no hidden meaning at all.
I feel no reason to sugar coat my questions and respect people who can talk to me without beating around the bush. I would rather be insulted and know the true meaning of a persons question than have them be cryptic and maybe not get what they are asking.

So then you're happy to show no respect for a person's beliefs and try to conduct a conversation in a mutually respectful environment, but rather ask questions that you know will offend and impact negatively on any chance to engage in constructive discussion about a subject?

Way to go to promote good discussion in the coffee lounge!

[3PRIMATES]

Well the original question was "Do you abuse children in the name of Mohammad ?"

I guess I could have said something like:
Do you adhere to the old teachings of Muhammad(peace be upon him),
by marrying and having sex with small pre-pubesent children?
disclaimer: this is a question about religious practices, not an attack on a persons spiritual beliefs.

[TheOriginalFlashDavo]

Well the original question was "Do you abuse children in the name of Mohammad ?"

I guess I could have said something like:
Do you adhere to the old teachings of Muhammad(peace be upon him),
by marrying and having sex with small pre-pubesent children?

As you haven't yet made a case that Mohammad was a paedophile, with regards to the accepted customs of the time, then yes, a more polite form of questioning would have been more appropriate imho.

disclaimer: this is a question about religious practices, not an attack on a persons spiritual beliefs.

<giving benefit of doubt>But you know that accusing Mohammod of being a paedophile would insult a Muslim's spiritual beliefs.</giving benefit of doubt>

[3PRIMATES]

I agree Gerbick. I think I have made my point enough and would like to continue in a broader scope. To me this thread is right on the borderline of being closed down.
I am for sure not trying to pick a fight or stomp on a persons beliefs. When it comes to religion, I feel and react at the gut level. There is no room to be cryptic. Say what you mean and mean what you say. One of the main reasons there is so many problems with religion is because ever thing IS so cryptic, and what could be said in 10 words takes 10 pages.

In ending portion of the Aisha conversation, I will say this:

Do I agree with Islamic policy on child marriage? No
Do I think all Islamic practice the old ways of Muhammad? No
Do I dislike Islamic/Muslim people in general? No
Do I dislike some Islamic/Muslim people? Yes
Do I think the Quran and Sunnah need to be ratified for modern Islam? Yes
Do I think pedophilia is wrong and should not happen in modern society? Yes
Do I think Islamic women need to have the same rights as Islamic men? Yes

OK, I am done.

3P

[3PRIMATES]

Sorry one more question:
Before Muhammed came on the scene, was it a common practice to marry six year old girls in the Islamic faith?