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supervillain
 Originally Posted by david petley
In the case of Australia, what do you think the other factors might be that have been more influential in reducing death rates from gun killings....apart from the bans and tighter gun laws?
Davo and I have both quoted statistics from fairly reliable sources that do seem to indicate (to us) a correlation between changes to the law and death by guns in Australia.
There's other things that have been brought up that are as important... such as ethnic composition and when different cultures interact there might be problems.
With Australia's somewhat stringent take on immigration in the last few years, and prior it's "White Australia Policy" from between 1901 to 1973; you have basically a doubly isolated interaction of the populace. Doubly so because of no bordering nations and then the rank likelihood that you will interact with a differing ethnic group.
That's just one possible factor that's not being added in, for instance.
Not saying that the stats are wrong; but I'd like to think they're not all inclusive. Japan has had very strict gun laws for years. The "deaths by gun ratio" is quite low. There again you have a largely singular "type" of population.
France had issues with differing ethnic groups clashing and thus violence happened. In the US, the melting pot and nigh-impossible ethnic separation; you might get clashes like this that escalate due to "other" differences.
Just a thought... not one I haven't seen brought up before in this thread.
There could be other reasons; such as gun legislature being a bit misguided in their aims to all kinds of other factors as lately mentioned.
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G,
it is a good point, and I understand where there could be much greater problems due to the greater ethnic and cultural interactions and tensions that can occur in the US. But is that a good reason for almost anyone to be able to buy a gun as they feel the need?
I guess one of the questions I would want to ask is - do you think that many guns in such a society makes for more or less danger to people living in such a society?
Another question I would want to ask is whether schools are safer or less safe with easy access to powerful weapons by disgruntled, disturbed or just plain whacko kids?
I personally like the response our government made in tightening gun laws and instituting a gun buy-back scheme after the Port Arthur massacre (33 tourists and holiday-makers dead from memory)...I do not think for a minute that it has removed all so-called 'illegal guns' from circulation, but it stops all but the most dedicated, with a reasonable amount of money (to buy on the black market) from getting hold of automatic weapons for future killing sprees...and that has to be a positive step yes?
Our gun licencing laws are (and have been) very strict, handguns have always needed a licence, and now, since 1998, all rifles have joined that list, with the sale of automatics and semi-automatics totally banned. You even need to have a licence for a BB gun or any other air-powered weapon.
And to get a licence, the first requirement is that you have a professional need to have a gun.
david
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Originally Posted by david petley
And to get a licence, the first requirement is that you have a professional need to have a gun.
That is not exactly true.....exceptions are made for hunters, farmers, sports shooters, etc. ...but you still need a licence (with incredibly stringent tests), and automatic and semi-automatic weapons are off the list.
I do have a couple of friends who own sporting pistols...they are members of the local pistol shooters club, and keep their weapons in the club gun safe, taking them out only for competitions, or practice for competitions.
david
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Hood Rich
murder rate is not the same as gun killings. if reducing the number of guns did not truly have a bearing on the murder rate (and other crimes increased), no over-all positive effect has been achieved. what good is it to fix one small problem if it increases the problems for everyone else?
"We don't estimate speeches." - CBO Director Doug Elmendorf
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oh, and we don't really have a 'stringent' take on immigration...our present government just has some draconian resolutions to illegal immagration.
I don't think we actually stop anyone from any country from applying through appropriate channels to emigrate to Australia.
david
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supervillain
Did you just quote and argue with yourself, or is that a correction? I'm confused 
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Did you just quote and argue with yourself, or is that a correction? I'm confused
it was a correction, or more detailed and full explanation, of my previous statement. there are exceptions to the 'for professional use' comment. It is not a blanket 'only if your job requires a gun'.
david
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Chaos
hot fuzz, at the end, thats why everyone should have guns
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