US Vice President choice thread...

[koolbabs2000]

you have two people claiming to be the same, broad thing, but one is nigh-fanatical and the other is nigh-lax. Yet, they're both Christian. And oppose what you personally believe?

- Firstly, two people irrespective of caste, color, race or religion are the same. Secondly its how the individuals perseive what is right-wrong.

[jAQUAN]

Get it? Probably not,

I just think you've blurred the line a bit between fact and opinion. You make a lot of statements as if they're facts when in reality they are your personal views. As far as those go, let me say that I agree with a lot of them. I like knowing there are people like you out there who are disgusted with "me" trends as am I. I support you on those, really. I'm just more concerned with what you do instead of what you think. I like that I live in a country that allows for various faiths to be practiced openly, I just don't think they're entirely productive. Accountability goes a long way towards protecting and upgrading American values and by and large, religion allows one to delay the soul search.

As far as soul searching imho, you're on the way but not quite to the point where it makes sense to you that sinners did not exist until religion was invented. If we sum up all the goals of the separate institutions of sin and law as 'good will towards mankind', my feelings are that faith in deities is a dirt road and human awareness is an express lane.

[FlashLackey]

jAQUAN, is this the type of religious perspective that you find objectionable?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU



[Just to clarify, I'm posting this to laugh at and in no way expect anyone to take his accusations seriously. Please edit out the link mods if anyone feels there is any risk of anyone doing that.]

[gerbick]

Oh ****ing great. Is that what Americans really listen to for information?

If so, sad. If not... sad.

[Loyal Rogue]

Wow... just, wow.

Yeah, FL, I know you say you're just joking, but as the saying goes, "There's more truth said in jest than in earnest."

This is barely a step above the "God hates fags" church.

[gerbick]

Ahem... I see your "God hates fags" and raise you "God hates fags and soldiers".

[FlashLackey]

Wow... just, wow.

Yeah, FL, I know you say you're just joking, but as the saying goes, "There's more truth said in jest than in earnest."

This is barely a step above the "God hates fags" church.

Excuse me? Is there anything about my intentions that you need to illuminate for me?

I posted the link because the guy is over-the-top ridiculous. If you're so wound up over our political discussions that you think there was some other motive, that is your issue and yours alone.

[FlashLackey]

Oh ****ing great. Is that what Americans really listen to for information?

If so, sad. If not... sad.

I doubt this guy has a broad audience. And yes, it's definitely sad. But, once you acknowledge how sad it is, the hysteria the guy gets into is laughable.

[gerbick]

I doubt this guy has a broad audience. And yes, it's definitely sad. But, once you acknowledge how sad it is, the hysteria the guy gets into is laughable.

I live in the South. People will hang onto his antics before hanging onto the truth because it supports their stereotypes.

Sometimes, I just wonder does anybody ever happen to think that. In my case, those type of people that would believe that "sad preacher" instead of anything else are not the minority.

In fact, I wonder if that idea has ever crossed your mind and if you see the ramifications of giving a person like that an audience. It reinforces any subconscious stereotypes that even you might have gained through life experiences and inherited from your surroundings.

And to answer that knee-jerk reaction you probably had; everybody has stereotypes that they know about, some they down deep probably believe. Being aware of stereotypes means that they already exist in you somewhere. You may not live your life by them - I'm not calling you a card carrying member of the Klan - but to know them, means you've already had been exposed to them.

I'll allow you to rebuke this; I honestly think that you'd be dishonest to yourself if you say otherwise.

[FlashLackey]

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. That I know there are negative stereotypes and that somehow says something about me for posting a guy making crazy comments? People post stories, videos and images of people doing stupid things here all the time. The point is to laugh at them, be shocked, or whatever. To suggest that anything anyone posts is somehow always a reflection of that persons views is ridiculous. I'm getting the impression that you and LR just want your own prejudices against me to be true. Some kind of cartoonification strategy. If that is the case, that is sad.

If you feel that anyone is at risk of taking the guys comments seriously instead of laughing at how ridiculous he is, then you should remove the link. It sounds like that is what you're saying.

To me, it's difficult to imagine many people not immediately finding his comments outrageous. But, maybe some people here are more on the fringe than I thought.

[gerbick]

I figured you wouldn't get a word I was saying. Nevermind.

I'm not wasting a moment with you on this. Trying to get you to see anything is not going to happen.

Let's just say the more you see of stuff like that, the innermost portion of you that knows about stereotypes might just start to believe those stereotypes. It's nothing about if you will believe those outrageous stories or just take them as they should be - a real ****ing joke. But...

bah. Too much time wasted on like I said earlier. You will never be able to see anything other than your "point". You just will not get what I'm trying to say.

[FlashLackey]

I think I understand your point better now.

But, I see it as the opposite. Seeing something like that just further confirms for me that such stereotypes come from crazy old relics and are not based on any reality. It's along the same lines as the Darwin award type posts. It's an example of what not to do or say. This is the guy not to be. People learn by disassociation just as much as they do from association, imo.

[gerbick]

We will have to continue view things differently then.

[cancerinform]

I am tired of all that McCain and Obama crap. I VOTE FOR FLASH CS4.

http://blogs.adobe.com/rgalvan/2008/...president.html

[pastelGIRL]

There was so little else that his competitors could say against Obama that Biden was just grasping the obvious point of Obama's youth and newness when trying to elevate his own claim to political experience.based on the video clip that i saw in pollclash, The first clip is just sound bites under media pressure to diss one another during a loaded political debate. The other clip shows a more extensive, personal reaction, response and opinion of Obama when Joe is not touting his own cause. It's all politics but I believe the second "shirtsleeve" clip is more honest and fair minded. well you can see the video clip here

[gerbick]

Thanks for signing up... just to point to Pollclash.

yay.

[Loyal Rogue]

[jAQUAN]

jAQUAN, is this the type of religious perspective that you find objectionable?

Hahaha. Don't worry I know you didn't mean to suggest anything by that.
I won't even say it supports my objections because it represents the extreme fringe. Extremists aren't my argument, although they do scare me. But their absence would be a bonus to not having a faith to mangle. I take more issue the mass indoctrination. Just yesterday I attended a Latin high mass just to spend some time with my mother and my jaw dropped towards the end when the priest started telling the congregation who to vote for. That is not respect for the individual as most worshipers would have you believe.

[villain2]

I just think you've blurred the line a bit between fact and opinion. You make a lot of statements as if they're facts when in reality they are your personal views.

As far as soul searching imho, you're on the way but not quite to the point where it makes sense to you that sinners did not exist until religion was invented. If we sum up all the goals of the separate institutions of sin and law as 'good will towards mankind', my feelings are that faith in deities is a dirt road and human awareness is an express lane.

There's a difference between personal views and personal experience. A personal view is that 80mph is slow. A personal experience is that after I got a speeding ticket, 80mph became fast.

Sinners existed before religion ... however, you could argue there has always been religion since man worshiped the sun or the moon when he first recognized it.

My stance is simply that this country's laws are greatly similar to those of Judeo-Christian philosophy (I won't say based anymore simply because that argument is tired). That's all.

[cancerinform]

Have a look at the newest poll. Obama is gaining more:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/