Aliens and the Evidence

[gerbick]

I am never going to check out any video in that blog. It's a waste of time.

Want to prove something, show me something that's been published, in an established university that's accepted, with formal proof that actually doesn't showcase the shady behavior of linking to like minded sites that have been always pushed to the very edge of the internet because it's never been proven.

If it's "so real" and "so right" then there has to be mathematical, high-resolution, no nonsensical based established media that doesn't magically reside to this blog you keep sending people back to.

Popular beliefs, even the ones that you subscribe to that are not supported by anything more than "just believe you're wrong" and other faith based requests is plain garbage. Which part of that do you not understand?

If everybody is wrong, from building skyscrapers to going to the Moon... then show the magical equations that are right. Or at least just stop "saying" people are wrong and show something other than some flaky YouTube video that even a blind man would laugh at.

Seriously. People believe this stuff blindly. I ain't one of those people. Put up or shut up. And no damn UFO ring of websites is going to prove anything to anybody other than there is more than one of you people out there. I totally refuse to follow the ramblings of some self-trained "pseudo" scientist either.

Meh. No equation, no proof, not clicking on that same link you keep pulling up. In fact... it's starting to look like you're spamming that blog...

[HatsOff]

Well, I may not know jack about code, but I sure do know a thing or two about this topic.

First, let me say that I would love to believe that there is other life in the universe apart from us. I really cant overstate that, it could die a happy man.

Sadly, the chances of aliens visiting us are just too low for me to accept it without solid evidence. This is the way I look at the alien subject...


Communication Problems.

Frank Drake's famous equation has been used to estimate the number of possible advanced civilizations in our galaxy several times. The estimates vary from as little as 10 civilizations in the entire galaxy to as much as 50.000 civilization. Either way, even if it is half a million, the number is so low when compared to the 400.000.000.000 stars that could potentially have life, that I seriously doubt that we could just stumble upon a civilization with out radio telescopes.

With the aforementioned in mind, im sure we can all agree that there is an extremely low chance of us initiating any contact or detecting any civilizations.

But what about them detecting us? Well, its possible, but we have no idea what their technology would be like. The only way we could judge this would be by assuming that their technology is similar to ours. So, if there is an alien civilization out there that is scanning the sky in the hydrogen frequency with their radio telescopes, there is no chance that they can detect us. We have not had radio capability that long, any signals coming from us simply would not have reached anywhere yet. And if they are only scanning in the hydrogen frequency, they will have other things to deal with that could interrupt the signal. One pulsar alone could completely mask any signal we are sending, and vice versa.

So, the chances of an alien civilization knowing for a fact that we are here, are extremely low. And if they do not know we are here, then there is little to no chance that they would send a manned expedition to us.


Travel Problems.

Now... on your blog you should some cave drawings, and Egyptian depictions of what looks like rocket ships.

Rocket ships or any other kind of solid vessel would be made of matter, and thus would be restricted to the speed of light. The natural speed limit for our universe. If this is so then it would take them thousands to millions of years to reach us. The only way around this would be to develop some kind of warp drive. But even traveling at 10 times the speed of light, it would still take several generations of travel simply to get here.

You could maybe say as a hypothesis that they are using wormholes to travel here, and that our ideas on time dilation and time travel are correct. But even so, by the time they come here and go back, thousands if not millions of years would have passed on their homeworld.

I seriously doubt that an alien civilization would spend decades building a ship with the capability to get here, put it in to orbit, find astronauts for it. And then send them off on a journey that would take about 30 years for the crew, accounting for time dilation, and about 50.000 years for the people on their planet. All so they can come here and and what? Make a crop circle and mess with out cows. It does not make sense.


Technology Recognition.

So maybe, maybe these aliens are immortal. Maybe they have mastered the use and manipulation of all matter, even living cells. And to them 50.000 years is like a week end to us. Well, then yes, maybe then they could and would travel here. But if they had such technology, their ships would not look like designed objects at all. They would probably look a lot more some kind of natural phenomenon. A beam of light, a microwave pulse, or some other kind of thing. With their kind of technology, there would be no need for rocket or jet power. They would more likely use some kind of frictionless metal to achieve anti gravity. Whatever it is, it would be way beyond our capabilities.

So, whatever the inspiration was for that cave drawing and those Egyptian depictions. The chances of it being an alien space ship are extremely low. For all we know it could be a meteorite or comet in the sky. Cave men and ancient Egyptians where not exactly famous for their critical thinking skills and lack of imagination.


The Problem Of The Little Green Men.

Two eyes, a mouth, a nose, ears, a head, 2 arms, 2 legs, one torso. The gray, the blond, why is it that aliens always seem to have a humanoid shape?

The first person ever to claim to see an alien, and claim that it had a humanoid shape, was obviously either insane or telling lies. Anyone who claims to have seen an alien, and that it had a humanoid shape is obviously lacking an understanding of biology and evolution.

Here on earth, there are all kinds of creatures. Snakes don't have legs, fish live under water, spiders have eight legs, some animals and plants are poisonous, some are not. Some have venom, others do not. There are all kinds of differences between us. However, with all these differences, there are still many similarities. Most creatures have a face, most faces have a mouth and two eyes, eyes tend to be above the mouth. These faces tend to be on a head, said head tends to have a neck. A snake may not have legs, but it does have two eyes above its mouth on its face, on its head. A horse has four legs, and it also has two eyes directly above its mouth. A spider has eight legs and eight eyes, but the eyes are still above the mouth. The reason for these similarities is because we all have a common ancestor. And the reason we all have differences is because we are all adapted for different tasks, normally in different environments.

There are two leading hypotheses at the moment on the origin of life. One is abiogenesis, the other is panspermia. If it is true all abiogenesis is the way it happened, then there is little to no chance that an alien species would have anything in common with us, simply because it would have a totally different common ancestor. Sure, there is a chance they will have heads, and maybe a chance that they will even have faces, but there is no reason why their eyes should be above their mouth, no reason for them to have heads, no reason for them to have legs, stomachs, bones, blood or any other feature found on life here on earth.

The only way I can realistically imagine that an alien would have a humanoid form, is if panspermia is true, but even is it is. That would only increase our chances of having the same common ancestor as them by a fractional amount. There could be countless original sources. And even if an alien did share the same common ancestor with us, there is still no reason to think they would look like humans simply because they developed on a planet that is likely to have a completely different environment.

I find it highly suspect that all claims of alien abduction and alien encounters all describe a humanoid looking creature. Some have been more inventive and claimed they looked like reptiles ad what not, but they always describe a humanoid creature. This in my book, is a sure tell that what they are saying is a fabrication of their mind.


In Closing.

I hate to make arguments based on probability, it almost feels like telling a lottery winner that there is no chance they could have won yesterday, as they only has a 1 in 48 million chance of winning. Probability does not always reflect reality, but in this case, I think the probability behind the claims are so great that they demand evidence. To quote Carl Sagan, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. In this case, the evidence required has to be something just short of seeing the worlds leaders shake ''hands'' with an alien ambassador live on TV.

it also does not help your argument when you have well known fakes and debunked things on the site. Like the face on mars, now well explained as just a human face recognition thing.

Presonally, my official position on the existence of aliens is that I don't believe it until I have proof. But deep down I suspect they are out there. I just need some real evidence.

Anyway, that's me done on this for now. Don't let my criticism get to you too much, overall I enjoy finding sites like yours and arguing the toss.

[e_tit]

Want to prove something, show me something that's been published, in an established university that's accepted, with formal proof that actually doesn't showcase the shady behavior of linking to like minded sites that have been always pushed to the very edge of the internet because it's never been proven.

If it's "so real" and "so right" then there has to be mathematical, high-resolution, no nonsensical based established media that doesn't magically reside to this blog you keep sending people back to.

Popular beliefs, even the ones that you subscribe to that are not supported by anything more than "just believe you're wrong" and other faith based requests is plain garbage. Which part of that do you not understand?

If everybody is wrong, from building skyscrapers to going to the Moon... then show the magical equations that are right. Or at least just stop "saying" people are wrong and show something other than some flaky YouTube video that even a blind man would laugh at.

Seriously. People believe this stuff blindly. I ain't one of those people. Put up or shut up. And no damn UFO ring of websites is going to prove anything to anybody other than there is more than one of you people out there. I totally refuse to follow the ramblings of some self-trained "pseudo" scientist either.

Meh. No equation, no proof, not clicking on that same link you keep pulling up. In fact... it's starting to look like you're spamming that blog...

He DOES show you the proofs and equations. The problem is you just dont want to look into it. Check out his website if you are open minded. Some of his theories have been accepted by scientific community. The rest are being peer reviewed. You sound like a typical government slave programmed to believe only in whats coming out in "government-controlled-media".

I am never going to check out any video in that blog. It's a waste of time.

Fine. Don't waste your precious ignorant time. You sound like a super-egoistic wolf with a mod-badge hanging around the neck. Atleast learn to be polite.

[e_tit]

Well, I may not know jack about code, but I sure do know a thing or two about this topic.

First, let me say that I would love to believe that there is other life in the universe apart from us. I really cant overstate that, it could die a happy man.

Sadly, the chances of aliens visiting us are just too low for me to accept it without solid evidence. This is the way I look at the alien subject...


Communication Problems.

Frank Drake's famous equation has been used to estimate the number of possible advanced civilizations in our galaxy several times. The estimates vary from as little as 10 civilizations in the entire galaxy to as much as 50.000 civilization. Either way, even if it is half a million, the number is so low when compared to the 400.000.000.000 stars that could potentially have life, that I seriously doubt that we could just stumble upon a civilization with out radio telescopes.

With the aforementioned in mind, im sure we can all agree that there is an extremely low chance of us initiating any contact or detecting any civilizations.

But what about them detecting us? Well, its possible, but we have no idea what their technology would be like. The only way we could judge this would be by assuming that their technology is similar to ours. So, if there is an alien civilization out there that is scanning the sky in the hydrogen frequency with their radio telescopes, there is no chance that they can detect us. We have not had radio capability that long, any signals coming from us simply would not have reached anywhere yet. And if they are only scanning in the hydrogen frequency, they will have other things to deal with that could interrupt the signal. One pulsar alone could completely mask any signal we are sending, and vice versa.

So, the chances of an alien civilization knowing for a fact that we are here, are extremely low. And if they do not know we are here, then there is little to no chance that they would send a manned expedition to us.


Travel Problems.

Now... on your blog you should some cave drawings, and Egyptian depictions of what looks like rocket ships.

Rocket ships or any other kind of solid vessel would be made of matter, and thus would be restricted to the speed of light. The natural speed limit for our universe. If this is so then it would take them thousands to millions of years to reach us. The only way around this would be to develop some kind of warp drive. But even traveling at 10 times the speed of light, it would still take several generations of travel simply to get here.

You could maybe say as a hypothesis that they are using wormholes to travel here, and that our ideas on time dilation and time travel are correct. But even so, by the time they come here and go back, thousands if not millions of years would have passed on their homeworld.

I seriously doubt that an alien civilization would spend decades building a ship with the capability to get here, put it in to orbit, find astronauts for it. And then send them off on a journey that would take about 30 years for the crew, accounting for time dilation, and about 50.000 years for the people on their planet. All so they can come here and and what? Make a crop circle and mess with out cows. It does not make sense.


Technology Recognition.

So maybe, maybe these aliens are immortal. Maybe they have mastered the use and manipulation of all matter, even living cells. And to them 50.000 years is like a week end to us. Well, then yes, maybe then they could and would travel here. But if they had such technology, their ships would not look like designed objects at all. They would probably look a lot more some kind of natural phenomenon. A beam of light, a microwave pulse, or some other kind of thing. With their kind of technology, there would be no need for rocket or jet power. They would more likely use some kind of frictionless metal to achieve anti gravity. Whatever it is, it would be way beyond our capabilities.

So, whatever the inspiration was for that cave drawing and those Egyptian depictions. The chances of it being an alien space ship are extremely low. For all we know it could be a meteorite or comet in the sky. Cave men and ancient Egyptians where not exactly famous for their critical thinking skills and lack of imagination.


The Problem Of The Little Green Men.

Two eyes, a mouth, a nose, ears, a head, 2 arms, 2 legs, one torso. The gray, the blond, why is it that aliens always seem to have a humanoid shape?

The first person ever to claim to see an alien, and claim that it had a humanoid shape, was obviously either insane or telling lies. Anyone who claims to have seen an alien, and that it had a humanoid shape is obviously lacking an understanding of biology and evolution.

Here on earth, there are all kinds of creatures. Snakes don't have legs, fish live under water, spiders have eight legs, some animals and plants are poisonous, some are not. Some have venom, others do not. There are all kinds of differences between us. However, with all these differences, there are still many similarities. Most creatures have a face, most faces have a mouth and two eyes, eyes tend to be above the mouth. These faces tend to be on a head, said head tends to have a neck. A snake may not have legs, but it does have two eyes above its mouth on its face, on its head. A horse has four legs, and it also has two eyes directly above its mouth. A spider has eight legs and eight eyes, but the eyes are still above the mouth. The reason for these similarities is because we all have a common ancestor. And the reason we all have differences is because we are all adapted for different tasks, normally in different environments.

There are two leading hypotheses at the moment on the origin of life. One is abiogenesis, the other is panspermia. If it is true all abiogenesis is the way it happened, then there is little to no chance that an alien species would have anything in common with us, simply because it would have a totally different common ancestor. Sure, there is a chance they will have heads, and maybe a chance that they will even have faces, but there is no reason why their eyes should be above their mouth, no reason for them to have heads, no reason for them to have legs, stomachs, bones, blood or any other feature found on life here on earth.

The only way I can realistically imagine that an alien would have a humanoid form, is if panspermia is true, but even is it is. That would only increase our chances of having the same common ancestor as them by a fractional amount. There could be countless original sources. And even if an alien did share the same common ancestor with us, there is still no reason to think they would look like humans simply because they developed on a planet that is likely to have a completely different environment.

I find it highly suspect that all claims of alien abduction and alien encounters all describe a humanoid looking creature. Some have been more inventive and claimed they looked like reptiles ad what not, but they always describe a humanoid creature. This in my book, is a sure tell that what they are saying is a fabrication of their mind.


In Closing.

I hate to make arguments based on probability, it almost feels like telling a lottery winner that there is no chance they could have won yesterday, as they only has a 1 in 48 million chance of winning. Probability does not always reflect reality, but in this case, I think the probability behind the claims are so great that they demand evidence. To quote Carl Sagan, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. In this case, the evidence required has to be something just short of seeing the worlds leaders shake ''hands'' with an alien ambassador live on TV.

it also does not help your argument when you have well known fakes and debunked things on the site. Like the face on mars, now well explained as just a human face recognition thing.

Presonally, my official position on the existence of aliens is that I don't believe it until I have proof. But deep down I suspect they are out there. I just need some real evidence.

Anyway, that's me done on this for now. Don't let my criticism get to you too much, overall I enjoy finding sites like yours and arguing the toss.

Its so simple. There is great possibility to have atleast a few thousand advanced civilisations out there in this endless universe which are atleast 1 to 2 billion years ahead of us(technologically and spiritually). Absolutely possible.
Imagine such a civilisation and you have all the answers for your doubts. They can do almost ANYTHING that not even our sci-fi movie makers can dream about. Make note of the word "spiritual". Spiritualism is far far far ahead of science.

And coming to the rocket paintings, why not the rockets were used by less advanced civilisation(few 100 or thousand years ahead of us) who were visiting us from within our solar system?

And why not have a humanoid looking creature visiting us? WHY NOT?? We are being visited by all forms of aliens Grey is just one of those. Some of the super advanced civilisations are in form of light.

[gerbick]

Fine. Don't waste your precious ignorant time. You sound like a super-egoistic wolf with a mod-badge hanging around the neck. Atleast learn to be polite.

Awwwh. You're so mad because your links to your precious blog won't be clicked by me that you had to bring up my moderator status.

Isn't that cute. It's funny how a person's that not being polite has allowed for your multiple links back to your blog to stay. By now, it could have been considered spam, consolidated or removed... as a moderator since those are my duties. But I allowed it to stay. Guess being nice was wasted on you.

And just because you believe and I don't some self-taught "scientist" that you're all up in arms now, eh?

You'll be ok.

[Jujumon]

if ur saying that sunlight = alien. i guess ur right. it does come from outer space.

[HatsOff]

Its so simple. There is great possibility to have atleast a few thousand advanced civilisations out there in this endless universe which are atleast 1 to 2 billion years ahead of us(technologically and spiritually). Absolutely possible.
Imagine such a civilisation and you have all the answers for your doubts. They can do almost ANYTHING that not even our sci-fi movie makers can dream about. Make note of the word "spiritual". Spiritualism is far far far ahead of science.

that sounds a lot like an appeal to magic. special pleading, sure its possible, but where is the evidence to back up this statement.

without evidence, such a statement is nothing but speculation.

And coming to the rocket paintings, why not the rockets were used by less advanced civilisation(few 100 or thousand years ahead of us) who were visiting us from within our solar system?

ok, so lets say they have rockets, and they are in our solar system. where? mars? we have sent many probes to mars, we found nothing. and even if they did live on marse, it would still take a rocket 2 to 3 years to get here. the only place in our solar system that has not been probed enough to rule out advanced civilizations is pluto, any civilization that wanted to visit us from pluto, and use rockets as their main form of propulsion would have to endure a 12 year long journey.

and if they are in our solar system and so advanced that they dont need rockets, we would have detected them by now. their radio signals and other output would be impossible to hide.

i see you mention ego earlyer on, but think about it. is it not your ego that tells you that you are special enough to merit a visit from them?

And why not have a humanoid looking creature visiting us? WHY NOT?? We are being visited by all forms of aliens Grey is just one of those. Some of the super advanced civilisations are in form of light.

there are about 8 million different species on earth, out of these 8 million, only a handfull have humanoid shape. and we all share the same common ancestor. there is no way that a creature from another planet, with a different environment and a different common ancerstor would have a humanoid shape. specially not all of the ones that people have claimed to see. where are the reports about blob people from the crabnebula?



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And coming to the rocket paintings, why not the rockets were used by less advanced civilisation(few 100 or thousand years ahead of us) who were visiting us from within our solar system?

also, any civilization that uses rockets would not be 100 to 1000 years ahead of us. Us humans are nearly done with rockets now.

Using rockets is expensive, and inefficient. Nasa and other organizations have been looking for alternatives since the very beginning of the space program.

Quite soon we will leave behind our old outdated rockets and will start to use ion propulsion. Similar in principle to a rocket, yet much more efficient, cheap and reliable.

There are even plans for an elevator to space, and some are even playing with the idea of riding laser beams.

So any civilization using rockets, would not be ahead of us at all, rather they would be just like us, or a few decades behind. An advanced civilization would likely be using ion propulsion, nuclear propulsion, or some kind of hydrogen collector.


Plasma propulsion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVsgS...eature=related

Ion propulsion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ozKUXiAs1Q

space elevator:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnwZmWoymeI

laser propulsion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAdj6vpYppA

nuclear propulsion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avsbVBy-shc

nuclear, fusion, hydrogen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGE-WRqgPRE&feature=fvw

[e_tit]

ok, so lets say they have rockets, and they are in our solar system. where? mars? we have sent many probes to mars, we found nothing. and even if they did live on marse, it would still take a rocket 2 to 3 years to get here. the only place in our solar system that has not been probed enough to rule out advanced civilizations is pluto, any civilization that wanted to visit us from pluto, and use rockets as their main form of propulsion would have to endure a 12 year long journey.

and if they are in our solar system and so advanced that they dont need rockets, we would have detected them by now. their radio signals and other output would be impossible to hide.

Oh dear dear, you are just one of those obedient school kids who generously believe our school books, tv/newspapers provide to us all the facts. Everything comes under government control. You think we are all being taught everything?? NOOOO. Absolutely not. We ignorant people are only exposed to a very tiny fraction of truth. I wont be surprised if you get shocked and faint as you read this when i say "There are civilisations in each and every planet" in our solar system. YES that even includes MERCURY the hottest planet. You wanna laugh? Sure go ahead. NASA has so far shown us only 5% of whats reallyyyy out there in space. I am glad atleast ESA has shown 15%... You want evidence? Please browse through ESA website you will atleast get an idea. For more evidence check out some og John lears videos.
And when you say "rockets will take 2 or 3 years to get there", you are only talking about our rockets. We use rockets that has thread hanging in its ass which needs to be lit up so that it can fart loud and push into space

i see you mention ego earlyer on, but think about it. is it not your ego that tells you that you are special enough to merit a visit from them?

Its not ego my dear, its called "open mindedness"

there are about 8 million different species on earth, out of these 8 million, only a handfull have humanoid shape. and we all share the same common ancestor. there is no way that a creature from another planet, with a different environment and a different common ancerstor would have a humanoid shape.

What makes you feel there CAN NOT be another earth-like-planet? What makes you believe there CAN NOT be a planet better than earth in this universe flooded with billions of galaxies with triilions and trillions of planets.
Doesn't that show you are being narrow minded?

also, any civilization that uses rockets would not be 100 to 1000 years ahead of us. Us humans are nearly done with rockets now.

Using rockets is expensive, and inefficient. Nasa and other organizations have been looking for alternatives since the very beginning of the space program.

Expensive? LOL... You think all planets in this infinite universe follow money-system?? Oh dear... I love your ignorance.

Quite soon we will leave behind our old outdated rockets and will start to use ion propulsion. Similar in principle to a rocket, yet much more efficient, cheap and reliable.


There are even plans for an elevator to space, and some are even playing with the idea of riding laser beams.

So any civilization using rockets, would not be ahead of us at all, rather they would be just like us, or a few decades behind. An advanced civilization would likely be using ion propulsion, nuclear propulsion, or some kind of hydrogen collector.

Oh yeah.. Earth scientists rock. You are such a patriotic little earth human. I am proud of you.


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[flashpipe1]

Oh dear dear, you are just one of those obedient school kids who generously believe our school books, tv/newspapers provide to us all the facts. Everything comes under government control. You think we are all being taught everything?? NOOOO. Absolutely not. We ignorant people are only exposed to a very tiny fraction of truth.

Amazing how the government controlled media lets stories out about corruption in the government, government secrets, etc. I've worked in the media and, if someone uncovered information about REAL aliens...it would be in the news...the real news...not just some UFO site.

I wont be surprised if you get shocked and faint as you read this when i say "There are civilisations in each and every planet" in our solar system. YES that even includes MERCURY the hottest planet. You wanna laugh? Sure go ahead. NASA has so far shown us only 5% of whats reallyyyy out there in space. I am glad atleast ESA has shown 15%... You want evidence? Please browse through ESA website you will atleast get an idea. For more evidence check out some og John lears videos.

Wow...you really believe that?? Amazing...you don't think that if NASA scientists were aware of civilizations on other planets, that someone would have "leaked" that information??

There are countries that don't allow freedom of the press, but I feel sorry for you if you live in a mindset that we are so controlled and filtered by our government. Must be a very paranoid and scary place to live...

[TallGuyLittleCar]

If you had used the right physics there is NO NEED for fuel.

I don't need fuel when i'm at the top of a hill.

he who owns british leyland knows to park going down hill.

[e_tit]

that sounds a lot like an appeal to magic. special pleading, sure its possible, but where is the evidence to back up this statement.

"Truth is stranger than fiction"
-Mark Twain

[flashpipe1]

“Idiots and lunatics see only their own wit.”

François de la Rochefoucauld

[CristiSearching]

If they really exist, they are the most evil creatures, with their almighty and they do nothing to change this world and more by token they collaborate with world's governments to exploit all the people...it is nonsense for such advanced spiritually creatures, and what's the spirit in this case ? we are not all stupid (I hope )

[MyFriendIsATaco]

Jesus ****ing Christ dude, just watching you argue is like trying to argue with a 5 year old. You have literally no common sense along with everyone else that believes your stupid theories that were created by other crazy people. If someone makes a valid point against you, they have just another made up bizarre excuse just pulled out of thin air to make them seem like they always win. You will win every argument because you have a madeup answer for everything.

I argued once with a 5 year old about what color the sky way. She was trying to tell me that it was green. We all know it's blue, but she was not backing down on the idea that it was green. How can you win that argument? Next thing, she could start saying that leaves were purple, and that cars had square wheels. To that mindset, they will always win and convince themselves they are correct, but when it comes down to it, every single person they talk to knows how wrong they are.

So go outside, get a job, join the rest of society like the rest of us. If aliens come to abduct me, I'll deal with that when the time comes.

[e_tit]

Jesus ****ing Christ dude, just watching you argue is like trying to argue with a 5 year old. You have literally no common sense along with everyone else that believes your stupid theories that were created by other crazy people. If someone makes a valid point against you, they have just another made up bizarre excuse just pulled out of thin air to make them seem like they always win. You will win every argument because you have a madeup answer for everything.

You don't believe there are advanced civilisation out there who can visit us with ease. That shows YOU dont have common sense.

I argued once with a 5 year old about what color the sky way. She was trying to tell me that it was green. We all know it's blue, but she was not backing down on the idea that it was green. How can you win that argument? Next thing, she could start saying that leaves were purple, and that cars had square wheels. To that mindset, they will always win and convince themselves they are correct, but when it comes down to it, every single person they talk to knows how wrong they are.

I have a similar story. I argued with a 5 year old kid. I said we can use a pen to draw lines on a piece of paper. It said i had no common sense because no such advanced technology exists.

If aliens come to abduct me, I'll deal with that when the time comes.

lol, lol, lol, lol....... Taco Vs Alien... I dont wanna miss this.

[e_tit]

If they really exist, they are the most evil creatures, with their almighty and they do nothing to change this world and more by token they collaborate with world's governments to exploit all the people...it is nonsense for such advanced spiritually creatures, and what's the spirit in this case ? we are not all stupid (I hope )

You are soo wrong my dear. Almost all advanced alien beings(except a few who are very evil-The reptilians and Grey) who have visited us in the past(and present)are TOO GOOD. They obey galactic laws. They dont interfere with the governments of any civilisation. They just watch us.

[HatsOff]

Oh dear dear, you are just one of those obedient school kids who generously believe our school books, tv/newspapers provide to us all the facts. Everything comes under government control. You think we are all being taught everything?? NOOOO. Absolutely not. We ignorant people are only exposed to a very tiny fraction of truth. I wont be surprised if you get shocked and faint as you read this when i say "There are civilisations in each and every planet" in our solar system. YES that even includes MERCURY the hottest planet. You wanna laugh? Sure go ahead. NASA has so far shown us only 5% of whats reallyyyy out there in space. I am glad atleast ESA has shown 15%... You want evidence? Please browse through ESA website you will atleast get an idea. For more evidence check out some og John lears videos.

actually, i flunked all my classes at school and dropped out when i was 15 years old. everything i know is down to me wanting to learn it. i believe the term is autodidact. but thats neither here nor there.

look, i have no problem with you man. if you want to believe that aliens are out there, that they live all throughout the solar system, and that they are visiting us and occasionally mangle a cow or two. thats fine, believe it. i believe there is life out there too. but, keep it real and claim that you believe it on faith, like i do. its when you claim that you have evidence that people are going to pull you up on it.

if you accuse me of murder, and you find a gun on me, and the gun matches the bullets, and it has my finger prints on it, and the gun is registered in my name. then this gun could be used as evidence against me.

if the same where true, but it only matches the bullets found in the victim, and did not have finger prints on it, and where not registered in my name, it could still possibly be used as evidence against me.

what can not happen, is that you accuse me of murder, and claim that your evidence is a photo of a gun that you found in a magazine.

the terms ''evidence, proof, hypothesis, theory, logic'' and so on all have rules, very strickt rules. you cant just say stuff and call it evidence, it does not work like that.

you can say whatever you like, and claim it is evidence, but i am then free to pick holes in it. if i can refute it, it is not evidence.

And when you say "rockets will take 2 or 3 years to get there", you are only talking about our rockets. We use rockets that has thread hanging in its ass which needs to be lit up so that it can fart loud and push into space

no, when i say rockets, i mean rockets. liquid hydrogen will burn the same here as any other place, its the laws of physics that determine that, and the laws of physics are the same everywhere.

Its not ego my dear, its called "open mindedness"

no comment.

What makes you feel there CAN NOT be another earth-like-planet? What makes you believe there CAN NOT be a planet better than earth in this universe flooded with billions of galaxies with triilions and trillions of planets.

Doesn't that show you are being narrow minded?

you are making an argument against a point i never made, i never said that there could be no planets like earth out there. in fact we have even discovered distant earth like planets.

source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmTjAmop688

by arguing against a point that i never made in an attempt to refute me, you have commited what is know as a straw man, this basically means you have used bad logic, and chances are you are wrong.

please read up on logical fallacies here: http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/s...arguments.html

Expensive? LOL... You think all planets in this infinite universe follow money-system?? Oh dear... I love your ignorance.

they probably dont use money no, but your statement still falls short of explaining why the lack of a monetary system would suddernly make these rockets more efficient.

furthermore, the way you have worded it could lead on to think that you have commited yet another straw man, by then calling me ignorant and failing to address the efficiency problems that i pointed out, you have commited another logical fallacy, known as ad hominem. and if your intention for this insult was to cast doubt on future things i may say, then you have commited the fallacy of poisoning the wells. either way you look at it, this is far from good logic on your behalf. it seems more like an argument based on personal emotion rather than facts. feel free to keep insulting, but be aware that doing so will not help your argument unless you follow the insults up with statements that refute my claims.

Oh yeah.. Earth scientists rock. You are such a patriotic little earth human. I am proud of you.

i agree with you, earth scientists rock big time. in fact i would have a hard time thinking of any other person that rocks quite as much and as well as scientists do.

thanks to them we now live well past our 30's, we no longer have to die from mundane health conditions like blood infections. we can travel anywhere on the planet in a matter or hours, and we can even have nice little discussions about aliens on the internet. thanks to science we can now enjoy living in a world that would have been considered a utopia merely 100 years ago. i am proud of them too. and thankful, we should all be.


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as for the media, if they thought for one second that there where aliens visiting us, they would run the story over and over and over until the michael jackson coverage where made to look like a footnote.

[MyFriendIsATaco]

I never said anything against there being aliens, to be honest. It's all the other crap about our 12 dimensions and blah blah blah, our physics all being wrong, every intelligent person on earth being wrong, every government being so corrupted that NOBODY knows what's going on, blah blah blah.

[HatsOff]

"Truth is stranger than fiction"
-Mark Twain

Occam's razor, the simple answer is normally true.


we could argue by slogan all day. it wont get us anywhere.

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MyFriendIsATaco, you're absolutely right man...the scientologists obviously have it all figured out...