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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
 Originally Posted by FlashLackey
I think this could be an improvement for Flashkit.
 ...you suckin' up for a mod role or something?
Last edited by david petley; 02-03-2010 at 04:24 PM.
No longer a Flashkit mod, not even by stealth
Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
actually, it's not such a bad idea.
...the new owners deserve someone like you contributing in the team room like you do in the lounge.
No longer a Flashkit mod, not even by stealth
Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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Hood Rich
Originally Posted by david petley
...you suckin' up for a mod role or something?
No. See below.
Originally Posted by david petley
actually, it's not such a bad idea.
...the new owners deserve someone like you contributing in the team room like you do in the lounge.
You've just demonstrated my point. If I were running this site, I would want moderators to be more moderate than some of the older ones here. The partial treatment of members has created a clique atmosphere that isn't very conducive to welcoming new members to participate. In fact, at least within the professional community of flash developers in Los Angeles, Flashkit earned a reputation for immaturity as of at least 4-5 years ago. I think that some of the mods (definitely not all) are the main reason for that. A partial changing of the guard could be a good thing for the board.
And anyway, what do you mean by contributing in the team room? Talking about which members you do or don't like (don't tell me that didn't happen. I have sources.  )? How did you contribute as a mod differently than any other long term poster?
"We don't estimate speeches." - CBO Director Doug Elmendorf
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
you really are a prat. You have no idea how much I have contributed here in the past ten years. Just go ask every single webmaster there has ever been on FK and you might have some idea.
The only reason people like you get to post relatively unharmed is because I was a good moderator, tried to moderate the responses of others, and didn't let my emotions or ego drive me to the ban button.
dp
No longer a Flashkit mod, not even by stealth
Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
...oh, and just do the post count thing and remember that posts in the lounge do not count. Your 147 looks a little pathetic when you compare.
At least I have contributed in other forums and not spent most of my time wringing my gums and getting people pissed off in the lounge.
dp
No longer a Flashkit mod, not even by stealth
Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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Hood Rich
Originally Posted by david petley
you really are a prat. You have no idea how much I have contributed here in the past ten years. Just go ask every single webmaster there has ever been on FK and you might have some idea.
I have a pretty good idea of how you have contributed to the board having been an active member for much of that 10 years.
I'm asking, in what way, beyond just posting your opinions like others, have you contributed as a moderator "in the team room" or somewhere else? What have you written there made the board better? I'm not saying you haven't. I just want to know what you're talking about since you've referred to it a number of times now.
Originally Posted by david petley
The only reason people like you get to post relatively unharmed is because I was a good moderator, tried to moderate the responses of others, and didn't let my emotions or ego drive me to the ban button.
Exactly. So maybe the board would benefit from removing the emotion and ego so that it can better represent flashkit as a whole rather than a small band of friends.
"We don't estimate speeches." - CBO Director Doug Elmendorf
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Hood Rich
Originally Posted by david petley
...oh, and just do the post count thing and remember that posts in the lounge do not count. Your 147 looks a little pathetic when you compare.
At least I have contributed in other forums and not spent most of my time wringing my gums and getting people pissed off in the lounge.
I've posted a lot more than 147 in other forums and would have continued to do so under different circumstances. Another case in point.
"We don't estimate speeches." - CBO Director Doug Elmendorf
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
Originally Posted by FlashLackey
I've posted a lot more than 147 in other forums and would have continued to do so under different circumstances. Another case in point.
...only if you are a previously removed member returned under a different name. I am sure that is usually against the rules (unless it was agreed to in the team lounge by discussion, and you were given dispensation to do so).
You are still a prat, and no matter how many posts you claim to have made, I am pretty sure you will continue to be a prat. If you had a previous identity, that one must have been a prat as well ...to want a name change and new forum personality.
david
No longer a Flashkit mod, not even by stealth
Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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supervillain
What member had to change their name because it affected their business again?
Exactly...
Anyway, FK has always been known as "Flash Kindergarten" back when Macromedia refused to acknowledge this site. Adobe seems to have continued that. There's nothing new there really. I'd have to say that people tend to learn here, continue on elsewhere. It's been the trend. Again, nothing new there either.
As far as "band of friends" and cliques, I know plenty of professionals/people that's entered the CL only to be turned off by the rampant political extremism by "certain folks". And as it stands, it was allowed, why? Because the CL is a free area.
To be able to post in an area unencumbered was established some 10 years ago. Enjoy it.
As far as the rest of what's been said, I'm sure the webmaster would actually love new ideas. The site needs them.
No sarcasm.
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supervillain
Originally Posted by david petley
...only if you are a previously removed member returned under a different name. I am sure that is usually against the rules (unless it was agreed to in the team lounge by discussion, and you were given dispensation to do so).
He requested his old name be removed (read: banned) before signing back up. I can vouch for that.
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
...it's too bad I can't search the team room for the thread in question to refresh my memory.
I am sure I can remember that we were basically giving someone a second chance because they had pissed too many people off, and I am sure it would not have happened unless the supermods (including me) agreed to it.
david
I can even remember a doubting comment about a leopard and spots ..whether it was mine or not I can't remember.
Last edited by david petley; 02-04-2010 at 07:48 PM.
No longer a Flashkit mod, not even by stealth
Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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Hood Rich
Originally Posted by david petley
You are still a prat, and no matter how many posts you claim to have made, I am pretty sure you will continue to be a prat. If you had a previous identity, that one must have been a prat as well ...to want a name change and new forum personality.
Name-calling...really?
Originally Posted by gerbick
Anyway, FK has always been known as "Flash Kindergarten" back when Macromedia refused to acknowledge this site. Adobe seems to have continued that. There's nothing new there really. I'd have to say that people tend to learn here, continue on elsewhere. It's been the trend. Again, nothing new there either.
Agreed that it's been that way for a long time now. However, I don't think it needed to be that and it could change. In my view, the moderators play a major role in shaping the perception of the community.
Originally Posted by gerbick
As far as "band of friends" and cliques, I know plenty of professionals/people that's entered the CL only to be turned off by the rampant political extremism by "certain folks". And as it stands, it was allowed, why? Because the CL is a free area.
I don't think there's anything wrong with free areas. I'm speaking more to how partial some mods have been toward members (possibly for opinions expressed in the free areas).
Originally Posted by gerbick
As far as the rest of what's been said, I'm sure the webmaster would actually love new ideas. The site needs them.
No sarcasm.
Re-examining the mod staff policies would be a great start, imo. Trying to attract more industry-involved people. Re-arranging the topics to condense some of the help sections and add some of the areas of flash that have evolved from the industry (User Experience, theory type discussion, etc.).
From a marketing perspective, these types of changes are going to be most effective if they're made known (even if in an abstract way). For example, advertising a "re-boot" as jAQUAN mentioned. "After 10 years, Flashkit is changing colors. Check back on 1/1/2013 to see the new yellow!" (Maybe bad example but you get the idea).
Last edited by FlashLackey; 02-04-2010 at 07:58 PM.
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Hood Rich
Originally Posted by david petley
I am sure I can remember that we were basically giving someone a second chance because they had pissed too many people off, and I am sure it would not have happened unless the supermods (including me) agreed to it.
I think that was clifgriffin.
"We don't estimate speeches." - CBO Director Doug Elmendorf
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
we have discussed a lot of problematic members in the team lounge over the years (as you pointed out earlier), and they all blur into the same annoyance at a disturbance in the force after a while ...but decision making there was generally consensual.
dp
No longer a Flashkit mod, not even by stealth
Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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Hood Rich
Originally Posted by david petley
we have discussed a lot of problematic members in the team lounge over the years (as you pointed out earlier), and they all blur into the same annoyance at a disturbance in the force after a while ...but decision making there was generally consensual.
Exactly. A clique.
"We don't estimate speeches." - CBO Director Doug Elmendorf
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supervillain
I vote that people with very bad tendencies to abuse the free areas start by showing that they can act better. Want better moderation, be more moderate.
Otherwise, the moderation team will continue to waste time on you when other things are more important. Do less stuff that gets negative attention in the free area of FK, then it frees up the moderation team from having to deal with you and police each thread you're in less and go help people instead.
Simply put, don't stir up trouble; it's unwanted.
Want FK to change its stripes, it starts with all involved; from members up to administration. Do your part instead of holding onto what you've deemed as an ability, which others call abuse.
If you feel compelled to answer, then it must be true. It's that simple. I have no time to waste on people, most have entered my very short list of ignored - which is pretty damn permanent placement. I only used to get complaints by a few people about a few people. Why? Because they were consistent in their actions - which is downright tiring.
So I'll repeat it. Being a member doesn't mean you're free to abuse the free areas. It means that you've become a problem. And unfortunately, there's more problems here than solutions.
Want to continue point fingers, one finger forward has three more pointing back at yourself.
Be part of a solution or narrow your comments to how you can improve the site because as it stands, you've probably been a problem.
DP, to explain... Indivision came to me directly, asked what were the rules around name changes. I said the likelihood of a name change was closer to zero, so it was a new user. I banned the old user, he signed up as FlashLackey. If anything, there was no thread, just a process that I did on my own... as I had done with one other user that requested a name change and we had the long-standing rule... no name changes.
As far as discussing that user as a problem, well... your memory is not faulty. Guess in a very roundabout way, that whole "circle of friends"/clique thing seems to include, not exclude, the person that brought it up. How ironic.
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
Originally Posted by FlashLackey
Exactly. A clique.
You know, I try, and I try to give you the benefit of doubt ...I put it down to cultural differences...I try and understand why you are so dense and say such stupid stuff ...but it still escapes me.
We have continuously replaced and added new moderators over the years, most of whom I have not known, or been aware of, until they were put forward by existing mods when a need has arisen, suggested by respected members or at the request of the site owners.
The cliques live here in the lounge.
No longer a Flashkit mod, not even by stealth
Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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N' then I might just
Jump back on
An' ride
Like a cowboy
Into the dawn
........To Montana.
gerbs, I do remember a discussion of this in the team room. Maybe it was after the event, but it was discussed.
I even remembered what the old user name was (so my mind is not fading as quick as I thought).
david
No longer a Flashkit mod, not even by stealth
Insanity is just a point of view. After all, the world looks pretty normal through your own underpants.
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supervillain
Yep. The complaints were numerous. The reason behind the name change were not surrounding our discussions. Just... timed real darn close.
Again, this whole "clique" and "circle of friends" is somewhat a shaky argument to start since I know both sides of this story way too well. Simply put, how many times does a site allow such actions, when directly requested to a person with supermod powers and have it done despite being an oft complained entity?
The clique/circle of friends argument falls apart because that person that's complaining about it actually got preferential treatment. If that treatment benefits that person, it's not a problem. When it doesn't, then it's a problem apparently (see above)
Going forward, it's ignorable whatever else is stated simply because of the aforementioned reasons. And yes, you were right about that thread - I also came into that thread a bit later and explained it then too. If anything, feel free to blame me.
Seems like me being kind and understanding of a situation has been used against me by the person that benefited the most. Go figure.
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omg!!
I just came back from my vacation to see that news. I just can't believe THEY let you go that easy! I just saw the thread where not one of the admins said something like 'please don't', just a quick "thanks and bye"!
I'm just shocked.
As another 2000's member, this is very saddening news.
gparis
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