Originally posted by david petley
Originally posted by Visionray
Originally posted by david petley


maybe, though the same tactics have not worked against Cuba. The people there don't blame their leader for keeping them poor, they blame the US for keeping them poor.

dp
Not necessarily. There is an extremely large percentage of the Cuban population who blame Castro for their economic woes. Thats why thousands upon thousands have fled to the US and set up base in Miami. These people HATE Castro with all their heart...and they all vote vote for the Republican's who are more hard line with the Castro regime.

Right-wingers can always count on the vote from the Cuban Americans.


a large percentage......how do you do in maths?

thousands upon thousands is not a large percentage of the millions of peope who live happily in Cuba, cursing the US for keeping on interfering in their lives for more tha 30 years. Dayum, talk about holding a grudge.

david p.

Yes maybe I was throwing out numbers, but I don't have the accurate data of the amount of Cubans who hate Castro - just as you don't have an accurate estimate of Cubans who hate the U.S.

If you've ever been to Miami, which you haven't, you would realize what a huge Cuban American community there is there. They practically dominate the place. And they pretty much all hate Castro and vote republican. They have set up huge lobby groups in the U.S. to rally the government against Castro in support of current U.S. policy. Believe it. Currently, there are over one million Cuban Americans living in the U.S. Cubans also get preferencial treatment for asylum issues in the U.S. Right now, the United States lets in 20,000 Cubans a year. That is a small percentage of the actual amount of attempts at immigration. Doesn't that say something?

Cuban-American dissidents are a very organized group with a common goal. That goal is the downfall of Castro's regime. This goal happens to be shared with the United States Government. Because Cuban-Americans despise communism, the government and the American people have readily supported and praised the Cuban dissident community. Lets not forget about the whole Elian Gonzalas fiasco, in which Cuban Americans freaked at the thought of sending this boy back to Cuba.

And all these Cubans who are in the U.S. rallying against Castro are the ones that actually made it over here. Every day the U.S. coast guard has to turn away boat after boat of immigrants trying to make it to the U.S. The one's that are granted aslyum usually fall into a certain criteria:

Cubans who may apply for refugee interviews in Havana include; former political prisoners, members of persecuted religious minorities, human rights activists, forced labor conscripts during the period 1965 through 1988, persons deprived of their profession, harsh discriminatory treatment resulting from their perceived or actual political or religious beliefs, and others who appear to have a credible claim, that they will face persecution as defined in the United Nations refugee convention.

Do you honestly think that Cubans like the idea of not being able to use computers? Thats not the U.S.'s fault is it? But Im sure someone can find a way to blame Castro's dictatorial tendencies on U.S. policy.

Also, the U.S. is interfering in Cuban lives? Where in the world are you getting this information??? How is the U.S. interfering? Just because we don't buy their cigars and agricultural products? If anything we are disengaged.
The only time we "interfered" was the Bay of Pigs and the assassination attempt on Castro.