on the west, probably yes. as I said everybody is too money-oriented. not as in "I want to battle for cash prizes" but as in "I need time to make cash so cant play with you kids". I had quick email exchange with mash (wonderfl site creator) about wonderfl dominated by japs, and almost no foreigners. he thinks this is site visibility problem, but I think this is just new (ok, maybe not so new) western ideology. when I tried to introduce wonderfl on some russian blog, the very 1st response was "why would I code in browser online, other people will steal my code" - well that's the goddamn point... should I also mention flashscene.org stagnation? demoscene spirit just not being accepted by flash people.