I think theres a middle ground here. some people think I was in the wrong, some think I was in the right. i just hope that no-one ahs taken anything personal. I don't think theres any need to carry on the conversation, Dave was just backing me up for which I thank him. As the people who this post was aimed at seem to no longer be reading it, the subject seems to have been closed. thanks for the contributions though people, threads like this with serious debate in are worthwhile to read, intelligent posts, this is what we want. won't close this thread unless people want me to but I see no more point keeping it top anymore.
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