Yeah I read that thread, most of the way through, some interesting ideas, I have poser 3, it has the sketch tool(sort of, more like a sketch view)somewhat in it, though it looks like that its improved in version 4. Might upgrade, especially with flash format becoming available. I don't know about a boosted vector format, the format now is pretty fast now, but for 3d abilities to be achieved with the vector format shouldn't be that hard, I think the Swift 3d program is coming close if they could incorporate more modeling capablilities, so figures could be modeled within the program, plus some more detailed animation, like IK bones, etc. a good thing is that you can import models but....more money for additional program, plus it still isn't that streaming, and the models are pretty much static. Sanman, do you know if the SVG format is any better file size wise and speed wise, I haven't really checked it out, Well in closing I hope KoolMoves keeps up with the competition as of now I love it

Brad